Racism (from a moral standpoint)

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RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - Uri - 10-09-2018

The differentiation between races is minimal. Anyway, better assess each individual seperately. What bothers me is that a lot of free countries nowadays are too miser with accepting a certain amount of people from worse-off countries.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - LutiChris - 10-10-2018

limi Wrote:The differentiation between races is minimal.

depends on what we are talking about because we are also minimally different compared to chimpanzee or everything else since we are all made up of atoms. Discernment is important because its a sign of a healthy People. In a sick or dying nation, civilization, culture or race, substance is abandoned in favor of superficial appearance like diversity. Discernment includes the ability to recognize the difference between belief and demonstrable reality as well.

Its important to know yourself relative to everything else so you're not blinded by ego but you are also recognize you are potentially valuable beyond comprehension as a link in destiny's chain.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - Uri - 10-10-2018

What is the concern here? low IQ people lowering the overall intelligence of our species? if this is the concern, it's not race-related. there is extreme differentiation in IQ within each and every race anyway.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - LutiChris - 10-10-2018

It is race related because the highest iq race is pushing propaganda on everyone to accept immigrants & refugees as well as race mix and have us fight each other while they take our hard earned shekels and make us slaves. all of this because we are afraid of the word racist attached to our person.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - Uri - 10-10-2018

I am pro-immigration, in vast numbers, from impoverished parts of the world (almost all of Africa for example) to Democraticized and Wealthy parts of the world (the EU,USA, Israel...). That is a different debate.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - LutiChris - 10-10-2018

No its not a separate issue its all related to one another. Its why the term is so prevalent and why there's an attached stigma to it is exactly because if you're against immigrants from impoverished parts of the world you are branded with the labal. Those who think ridding the natives and handing that power over to foreigners who come from said parts of the world are the kind of people who are not familiar with the grand scheme that is the greater israel plan. follow the money trail and the patterns start to creep up

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democracy isn't useful if you want peace nor is immigration to other parts of the world
read the book "Democracy the God that failed by Hans Hermann-Hoppe"

if you're not on board with that system even maoist third worldists agree this is a bad idea because what you end up doing is the migration destroys the revolutionary potential of the impoverished world

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - MangaD - 10-10-2018

@LutiChris You say a lot in your post, I will answer to it when I have more time.

@limi

1. Why does it bother you that """a lot""" Hmph

of "free countries" nowadays are too "miser" with accepting a certain amount of people from 3rd world countries?

2. What scientific source do you have that absolutely asserts that there is no difference in IQ among races, as you claim? Because I know of a few studies that show otherwise (such as the bell curve by Charles A. Murray and Richard Herrnstein that Luti shared here), although there is not enough proof to blame it on race as I understand it. Still, looking at history, we can see that black people are largely unsuccessful everywhere, including the 1st world countries they emigrate to and live in for decades or centuries.

3. As Ian said, it is not a separate issue at all to be pro-immigration in vast numbers or in few numbers. Asia has 4.4 billion people, Europe has 741 million. If you'd want to better distribute population around the planet, you could very well send a billion of Asians into Europe, which would result in the end of the white race.

But, why is this a bad thing? Suppose we take in the most intelligent Asian people who value democracy, liberalism, etc. We'd still be destroying the white race as in few years their numbers would shrink drastically due to low birth rates and miscegenation. If you oppose this, then you're a "racist" (not really but you'll be branded that way).

But I don't see why we're even discussing numbers. France, as of 2014, before the refugee crisis, only had 70% population whose parents are both French. This is a disgrace for the various European indigenous people, who are slowly but surely disappearing from this world.

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RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - Ansam - 10-10-2018

Racism is a problem when you differentiate people based on that title. Like how families will buy only Chevy or Ford brand cars. When the only concern is the brand name, it's a huge problem. There a lot of other potential labels, but since the thread is on Racism I'll focus on that.

As of late, racism is a campaign tool for politics. Vote for me and see X race put in their rightful place.

Why is IQ so important? For one, majority of Americans just act like children, following the ideals of their idols. Whether they be Hollywood actors, politicians, protestors. Most people don't think for themselves. You don't really need to, assuming people are honest. But odds are, the idol is either uninformed or hiding facts.

And two, it is not fixed, or even accurate. It is a man-made concept still in development. "There is still a dearth of information about how behavior differs between persons with differing IQ scores. For placement in school programs, for medical diagnosis, and for career advising, factors other than IQ must also be part of an individual assessment" There are even a dozen different IQ tests made by different people that act differently. There is no consistency between them other than the name of IQ.

For what measurement of IQ we get, it's greatly associated with mathematic abilities. How often do you need to use complex math that can't be done with a basic Calculator? And as for IQ, it's basically how well wired your brain is. Literally, the synapse network that carries our thoughts to and fro the brain's regions, and how efficiently you can use it. With extensive use, like muscles, the effectiveness can be improved and will deteriorate after your prime age. That is when experience comes in, or intuition. When things happen so often you know the outcome without a second thought.

The Teenage is best example of having a lack of both. The brain is still developing up till around the age of 25, and even with a high IQ you do not have any practical application as a child. Rare cases are like the child who developed a mine sweeper robot in India. https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/this-14-yo-gujarat-boy-bags-rs-5-crore-mou-for-drones-at-vibrant-gujarat-summit-269389.html A brilliant young man who wasn't just smart, but found a way to apply it. Talent without purpose is nothing.

And third, IQ is not an indicator of education or career or lifelong success. Determination and commitment are what get through school, as does life itself. Anyone who puts enough time to studying will get high grades. Communities with suffering education have distractions such as gangs or bad living conditions. People with strong careers either inherited them, or their ambition drove them to attain it.

(10-10-2018, 04:52 PM)LutiChris Wrote: democracy isn't useful if you want peace nor is immigration to other parts of the world
read the book "Democracy the God that failed by Hans Hermann-Hoppe"

if you're not on board with that system even maoist third worldists agree this is a bad idea because what you end up doing is the migration destroys the revolutionary potential of the impoverished world

Democracy isn't designed for peace. It is designed so that every point of view can be represented, and the resulting conflict and diversity can then improve us moving forward. It's what allows protests, elections, etc. The alternative you're suggesting is anarcho-capitalism, where there would be no unison. Just everyone acts on their own best interest. And for your belief in inferior races, that would result in entirely unfair practices, and an even easier time for the Jews to own everything.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - MangaD - 10-10-2018

@Ansam Welcome to LFE!

Did you register just to reply to this post?

I have a few things about your analysis that I'd like to comment on.

1. IQ isn't everything, you are absolutely right on that. Still, there are differences that have an evolutionary reason. Should these be ignored? And, even though IQ isn't everything, isn't it desirable for us to have high IQ?

2. The majority is always ignorant, be it in America, Europe, or anywhere else. This is why democracy as we know it today is a big problem. Contrary to what you fantasize, the democracy we have is not designed so that every point of view can be represented, it is designed so that the best demagogue with the most financial support wins the elections and licks the boots of the shadow government.

RE: Racism (from a moral standpoint) - Ansam - 10-10-2018

Thanks for the welcome, I did just register for this. A friend showed me when we were talking about Columbus day.

1. It is desirable to have high IQ, but it is increasingly less important as computational devices improve. In fact, I have a friend who's IQ was 130 something in Uni, and he cannot get a job. Within a week he runs out of backlog to do, and gets fired by the employer for fear he'll take their job. The toll on his emotions because of this really makes it hard to say he's gifted. If everyone was boasting high IQ, there are unforeseen consequences.

2. Good point, majorities are quite ignorant. And it's because of this the bandwagon fallacy elections happen the way they do. The points of view are there, but opponents of each other try to omit and smear them to the point every side has a cover that doesn't match the contents. I concede I was/am being optimistic there.