(07-03-2013, 09:02 AM)YinYin Wrote:  I think it could work as his 4th and final ground move (pp/pd/pg and this .. phantom shield?).
Also I just reread your description and now I don't actually see why the rebound would be a problem.
If it starts out as an inactive energy veil waiting for a projectile to hit before it starts moving forward as a shield I don't see why it should be 'reboundable' at all. If it gets hit by a character it should just shatter and disappear.

(07-03-2013, 09:02 AM)YinYin Wrote:  Why would he need a weapon to run? And why would SK become too powerful with running?

(07-05-2013, 01:33 AM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  1. Walker creates a projectile in front of him.
2. It is destroyed if it is rebounded (frame 30), ex. opponent punches it. If it is hit by something else (frame 20), it goes to "active mode".
3. In active mode it slowly moves forward for about 5 seconds, with itr kind 14 and effect 4. If it gets hit the timer restarts.
4. However as it has changed team, opponent projectile attacks will be bounced back but will only damage Walker's team. And Walker's teams projectile will also be bounced back and hurt Walker's team.

(07-05-2013, 01:33 AM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  I think maybe a character with weapon works better with the "hop" Walker now uses.
With the bad air-to-ground hitbox of SK I thought it will hardly be used if I remove the hop. However, then I realized it might be fine as you now instead have run dash from which you can use it.

(07-05-2013, 05:43 AM)YinYin Wrote:  You won't have this problem if you use frame 10 (hitting) instead of frame 20 (hit) as this won't result in a team change. But I guess this is not much of an option as it would again also hit characters.
Either way the drop object method is still there to skip the team change.

(07-05-2013, 05:43 AM)YinYin Wrote:  In that case he needs to run in the next release.

• Phantom Dash: has change from being a command dash with a punch follow-up to be a dashing throw instead. Just to test I'm using Louis throw animation (with wall bounce). I think this works much better than the old move where you had to time the follow-up attack with little visual clues.
  
• Phantom Punch: as PD (or Phantom Catch now?) has changed to not have this as follow-up this is now a standalone move (as suggested by comments). As it is now much easier to use and still cause quite much damage due to JD+A it costs 25mp (I think it was 10+10 before).
  
• Phantom Guard2: I added a second experimental counterattack, and right now it counters the same things for the same time. On successful counter it deals massive damage though in a flashy(?) way.
  
• Phantom Kick: after making the divekick for Phantom Guard2 I asked myself "how would it be if it was a standalone move?" and this is the result. The animation is poor and I believe the move is way too strong as it disrupts your opponents play very much, though it is quite satisfying when you get those five hits in.
  
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• Phantom Punch and the loss of air combos: Before you could do Super A >　Phantom Dash > Phantom Punch to air combo, but with the changes to Phantom Dash/Catch, now I think there will be less opportunity for those old air combos. Because of this, I pondering whether the Jump Punch (JD+A) should go, as it severly limited in use now, and makes Phantom Punch give much more damage then maybe it should (which is why I upped the cost).
  
  
• Phantom Guard2: is just a stronger version of Phantom Guard. Can one make it more interesting? Just changing the start-up and active time for the move I feel isn't really it. A move more fitted for crowd control maybe (like the original move Stampede)? Or something to counter projectiles like making Walker teleport behind the opponent on successful counter (to combat his lack of range)? I am all ears for suggestions!
  
  
• Phantom Kick: I think the move aside from looking awful right now, probably is broken. (I was sad to find out that the teleporting state doesn't track your opponent's height) Your opponent cannot really pick up a heavy item with out being punished. While it is only 10 damage for that, if you time it with your opponents jump you can get some more hits and damage in. Is this move interesting at all? One could make it a follow-up move for each of the other moves (so that you cannot use it alone and adjust the trajectory for each move)? Or should it just die?
  
  
• Lack of variation: Super A and Run A uses same animation, Jump A and Dash A uses same animation. While this is mostly because the sprites are only half-done due to me going icognito for a year or two, does anyone have any suggestion for changing this (for future sprites)? I guess more moves that launches opponent for air combos would be interesting?
  

(03-27-2014, 09:39 AM)Alapottra Wrote:  looks good but your 2nd mediafire said Invalid or Deleted File. but 1st one works....downloading

(03-27-2014, 10:29 AM)Gad Wrote:  Wow. I'm stunned, that you're still working over this. Good luck then! I don't rly have an opportunity to test it.

(06-30-2013, 06:39 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Also should you ever consider making him run again I would really love to see this as his run attack:

Similar to Woodys, except you would need to continue a combo after the second hit as the last one knocks down.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  I may be repeating previous suggestions, but I'm too lazy to double check.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Dash
I think the catching dash frame could travel much faster and last less long. More like Bats speed punch. Unless you ditch the speedy looking frame for a run animation similar to Louis' catch. It is also rather hard to get a useful wall bounce with this, if any at all.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Punch
You might want to stay inside the rising fist frame longer before going into the jump frame (until the very top of the arch). Else the animation looks really weird if you don't do anything in the air. Just give it the same state and hit_ links as the jump frame to enable the combos.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Guard2
I gotta admit I don't like heavily pre scripted combos like this one. Although having an up and down version of the phantom guard is a good idea (like Johns heal and Woodys teleport).

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Guard2
To begin with you could try changing both your counters from being an extra character file to this: http://www.lf-empire.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=9084
It's much more fair for the attacker, as he can get past it with a strong hit. You have more options for it (front and back action). And it's less clutter inside the character selection and data.txt.
I think it would be best for both of them to essentially be the same, with a situational twist (like John/Woody mentioned above). DvJ is the quick option that dispatches the opponent fast and reliably (no flipping), while D^J is a combo starter. This difference is enough for me (considering they are one and the same move, but using a different option).
If you do make the change to the cpoint counter, here is what I would also change:
Make the counter stance itself much longer, maybe infinite with the option to move out of it at any time. And use something that looks more 'ready' than 'I'm dizzy'. Here is an edit of the drinking frames that could do:
This thing would have the advantage of being easier to use (timing doesn't have to be as accurate, you can cancel any time, it could work for front and back hits) and the disadvantage of not countering stronger attacks.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Kick
Only the sudden teleport without any sound or animation to back it up breaks this. Visually the sudden movement with little regard to inertia doesn't feel right and for the game play you should at least limit the teleporting range.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Kick
It could work as a pure follow up, but even then you need to limit the teleport range. Otherwise you may still just start a different move first, simply to get to this one and teleport all over the background. I still wonder why you don't have this aerial downwards kick on J+DvA and the upwards one on J+D^A instead of inverting these directions and replacing one with a rather unfitting aerial arm swing.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Phantom Punch and the loss of air combos
I don't see why the previous combos should not be possible any more. Adjust all the itrs and throws and you should be able to reconnect a lot of things. Also don't drop the jump punching. I really like that part.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  Lack of variation
The super attack would be much better off with an uppercut (D^A) that doesn't make Walker jump (stays on the ground with a raised fist).
Either jump or dash attack could use the animation you currently use for J+D^A. This would be all the variation you need on the basics without requiring any new sprites.

(03-27-2014, 01:52 PM)YinYin Wrote:  General
The character still has quite a few jerky motions with misaligned sprites. The defense frame for instance isn't centered correctly (feet shift around if you press D+><><><...). There are also quite a few swing sounds for attacks missing, making the punches that do have a sound stand out in a weird way.

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  So I should do a makeshift aerial sprite of the punch, and in the last frame(s) give it the same data as #212 so that it both goes to JP and JK, am I getting it right?
I'll certainly make a go at it.

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  How strong is a "stronger attack"? Are we talking fall-values?

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  The one thing I'm concerned about using this new tecnique for is speed. For some reason state 8000 loads the new character and skips 1F of time in the same frame, so the current counterattacks have instant start-up which I do like.
You can't creates objects in a command frame, so that will cause 1F lag. And objects can't activate their itrs the first 1F they're out either, right? Wouldn't this cause the counterattacks to have a start-up of 3F at best?
If this is the case, I would rather keep the current D↓J as it is, as it is just a tool to get out of a pressured situation and those 2F can really make a difference.

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  Do you mean limit the teleporting range as in making it not using the teleporting-state, or is there in fact a way to alter how the teleporting-state works? Do you even think it is an interesting idea?
As I mentioned earlier, maybe making it a follow-up move for each other move, you could fine tune the "homing" action for each move getting rid of the teleporting. Then again, should the move even be there?

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  I don't know but inverse up and down for the air moves feel natural to me. But maybe that's just me.
It's kind of how Deep has his "up-attack" at down. (Deep is probably the character I've played the most)
I could flip the commands though, it does make more sense when you think about it.

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  Do you dislike the arm-animation because it is my poor reusing of sprites, or do you just think it is unfitting at all?
This again is "ripped" move, this is kind of the look I was hoping for

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  You are okay with a really high "bouncing" super/run punch?

(03-27-2014, 03:16 PM)支倉凍砂 Wrote:  .edit// By the way, regarding the second counterattack: whatabout remaking that special move the original Walker had called stampede, where he grabs the opponent as a meatshield and keeps running forward. I guess it would help when Walker needs to fight multiple characters?