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'hit_back:' - YinYin - 02-15-2010
As we all know there is no hit_back: tag - or at least it doesn't work in any way
However we can easily simulate it perfectly with a few hit_d: and mp: tags
All we need is a hit_d: tag with the frame we want to got to when the opposite direction key is held and an mp: -1 in the same frame
Now i suppose many already know that the hit_d in such a case will act when either Defense is pressed, the mp is too low to take 1 or the opposite direction key is held (used for firens burn_run to stop)
there will always be enough mp for the mp: -1 to work (unless you overdrained yourself really badly somehow) but the Defense key is undesired if we really only want the 'hit_back' input
that one can be blocked out by making the frame we will go to require an amout of mp far above the 500 a character has
now the hit_d will only be carried out if you press back
all pretty simple, nothing new
but here an examlpe for woody (omitting everything unimportant):
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DC-Code:
<frame> 249 fly_crash pic: 152 state: 7 wait: 1 next: 251 mp: 99999 <frame_end> <frame> 250 fly_crash ... mp: 200 <frame> 251 fly_crash pic: 153 state: 3 wait: 1 next: 252 hit_d: 249 mp: -1 <frame_end> |
as soon as you release you will dash forward
also the mp: -1 acts very fast so you are basically only in frame 249 (sporting a nice state: 7 giving you some defense as you wait)
a circle like that can be nice for simply delaying a move for as long as you need (cascading several of them for each frame would allow the player do delay/slow down a move at any point)
putting many of those in a chain could create a nice chargeable move
it can be used to change direction during a move
it could also be used to simply cancel a move just to carry out a different one
or to have two variations of a move (normal/held back, strong/weak, knocking down/dance of pain, lifting up/catching, high throw/low throw, ...)
this can add a lot of variety to a character thats intuitive to execute
pro:
-a new key apart from D J A to toy around with
-it depends on your direction
-it can be held down and get noticed by the game as often as you like (charging)
-it does not have to be pressed in an exact moment (just held down)
-it acts much faster than normal hit_ tags
-AI will use it automatically
con:
-F6 will turn it into a normal Defense key (ignoring all mp tags)
-if you use this to delay a move like the tiger dash you will waste your 200 mp before you actually get to dash (you might get pushed into broken defense in my example)
RE: 'hit_back:' - Azriel - 02-15-2010
i like.
hit_j: 249 needs to be there in 251 right? unless i'm mistaken mistaken.
Azriel~
RE: 'hit_back:' - YinYin - 02-15-2010
hit_j has nothing to do with all of this
RE: 'hit_back:' - Azriel - 02-15-2010
more of thinking that the mp: -X goes with hit_j: something hit_d: something
Azriel~
RE: 'hit_back:' - Bamboori - 02-15-2010
but somehow the hit_back tag works sometimes...
RE: 'hit_back:' - YinYin - 02-15-2010
(02-15-2010, 12:56 PM)Azriel Wrote: mp: -X goes with hit_j: something hit_d: something
(02-15-2010, 01:04 PM)Bamboori Wrote: but somehow the hit_back tag works sometimes...sometimes something somehow works next to your hit_back making you think that hit_back works
prove me wrong
RE: 'hit_back:' - TheNave - 02-15-2010
wow, rly nice... gotta have to create a new char with that feature
.gif ";)")
RE: 'hit_back:' - Bamboori - 02-15-2010
dang, you were right.
i had in mind that one of my chars hat a hit_back-action, but he just had the tags you described as necessary.
sry ^^"
RE: 'hit_back:' - dubbleD - 02-16-2010
i found this out while making my mudman character some time ago...
didnt realise that it wasnt that well known...
good that its out :P
RE: 'hit_back:' - Alblaka - 03-29-2010
Ultimate awesomeness +9000.
And the few "bugs" aren't really any problem, since charge attacks imo SHOULD be interruptable (with mp loss) and i'm usually not fighting with F6 either way.