Discussing Firen's Basic Moves

[Kevin]

Please share your opinion about these things .

Main topic: Firen's overall basic moves are pretty bad.
*NOTE: With basic moves, we mean moves that Template can do (dash attack, run attack, grab, punch, weapon, etc, but NOT fire ball, inferno, blaze, explosion)

Punch
Firen starts his punches pretty slowly (3 frames) and the punch has small range. Other characters with this speed usually have larger range (like John, Freeze and Dennis). Characters with the same punch range have faster punches (like Woody and Davis). Deep and Louis are the only ones who punches slower than Firen. Deep has nice range, while Louis has armor, so Firen's punch is bad.

Movement Speed: slightly below average (9.6 running speed)


Dash Attack
Slow compared to other characters (4 frames), with standard 70 damage and standard attack range.


Jump Attack - average~ quite fast, small damage (3 frames, 35 damage)


Run Attack
Fast (4 frames), 50 damage. Damaging duration is long (8 frames), immediately free after the damaging duration is over (need no time to pull off the attack)


Overall
- Punch and dash attack are the most used moves, and Firen is quite slow on them. So, Firen's basic moves are bad compared to the average of heroes.

- Firen's punch lasts quite long and does not even take a single frame to pull out, so this a nice advantage, enough to say that his punch is not bad. His run attack is very good too. Firen is not worse than the average heroes in terms of basic moves.

Question: Do you agree that Firen's basic moves are pretty bad? Please share your opinion . I rarely use Firen, so I definitely don't have the best knowledge about him. I wrote that his basic moves are pretty bad, but I don't mind if you don't agree . I want to hear your view about this.

[Electric2Shock]

I think the weaknesses in basic combat of Firen make up for his huge advantage against a line of enemies. He can put down a line of Louises and Knights in just one fireball. But I honestly do think that Firen's basic moves are not satisfactory.

[Simoneon]

In my opinion, Firen is less than a fighter, who uses normal punches, but excels with his spell casting. His fireball is arguably the fastest ball in the game, while other skills also provide nice damage and utility. Not talking about the fire that he can ignite - that is the best crowd control skill in the game.
So yeah - bad in melee fighting, but good in spell casting

[Silverthorn]

Firen is one of my fav characters

Fully agree that he's not the best in terms of REGULAR PUNCH (+1 for the ones that get the reference), dash-attack, and whatnot. In fact, that's pretty euphemistic. However, the fact that his super-punch is, compared to the others, extremely long gives great combo-potential when you fight with a partner. Also, he's fast, not only his fireballs but also in terms of running-speed. And then his special attacks; they do quite nice damage and his burn-run is giving him a strong defense.

I sound like an advertiser :p

[Kevin]

^ Firen has a quite slow running speed (9.6).

The average running speed of the ten heroes is 10.21, including Louis who wears armor.
Firen's #7 in terms of running speed, so not:

Also, he's fast, not only his fireballs but also in terms of running-speed

^^ . He's still faster than Freeze though. Louis wears armor so he's slower too, and Deep's the slowest hero.

Thanks for the replies . Adds some to my knowledge (and of course others)