LF2 iMBa! Balance in iMBalance!

[LTWasabi]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/en1jsy21lms8mn...1.zip?dl=0

   

   

A whole new LF2 experience! Want to try something new, yet get that good ol' adrenaline pump only LF2 can give? Then check this out! Same heroes, yet completely revamped skills! Each and every heroes has been boosted to imBA, yet they are all equally powerful. Power in balance? Nah, here its balance in powers.

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***Main Fighters***


#Dennis

Chasing Blast - Shoots 3 balls!
Energy Blast - Shoots multiple nos. of it, which increases per wave upto 9 balls.
Whirlwind Kick - Releases a 'Mini Chasing Blast', which deals lesser damage per cycle.
Shrafe - Sends out a stream of 'Energy Blast'.


#Woody

Energy Blast - Somewhat chases opponent and shoots multiple blasts, both front and behind.
Turning Kick - Sends out 3 'Energy Blast'.
Tiger Dash - Releases 4 'Energy Blast'.
Teleport(Both) - Energy cost reduced by 50%.

#Firen

Fire Ball - Shoots 3 then 5 then 7 fireballs.
Blaze - Leaves more Fire Trails. Starting mana cost also reduced.
Inferno - Occasionly shoots fire balls and Chasing flames. Starting mana cost also reduced.
Explosion - Deals HUGE! damage and unleases a flurry of Chasing flames.

#Freeze

Ice Blast - Ice Blast moves very slowly but moves faster if there's enemy in front. Also shoots 5 balls.
Summon Sword - Sword is more stronger, dealing more damage. Mana cost also reduced.
Icicle - Create 3x3 icicles in front of you, making a wall. Mana cost also reduced.
Whirlwind - Summons 3 whirlwinds, one that moves front, one moves back and a stationary one in the middle.

#Rudolf

Ninja Star - Deals x2 damage!
Multiple Ninja Star - Costs slightly less energy.
Hide - Also summons a clone.
Clone - summons 3 clone.

#Henry

Shoot Arrow - Arrows chase enemy!
Dragon Palm - Sends a wide(r) blast of wind.
Critical Shot - Shoots 5 Critical Arrows.
Sonata of Death - Pulls in enemy in a straight line. Also roasts caught enemies.
Multiple Arrows - Shoots 13 normal arrows.

#John

Energy Blast - Shoots 5 blasts.
Energy Disk - Creates 2 disk. Also shoots an energy blast both front and back.
Heal(Both) - Also sends out an Energy Disk.
Energy Shield - Creates 2 Shields, one front and the other behind. The 2 Shields also continously create an energy field within.

#Deep

Deep is much more agile.
Energy Blast - Blasts travel long distance. Can shoot upto 3 tiers of blasts, each tier consisting of 3 blasts. The first tier has no effect, the second has 'Burn' and the third has 'Freeze'.
Dashing Strafe - Each slash also releases a short distance blast with the 'Cut' effect.
Leap Attack(Both) - Cost slightly less energy. Also releashes a short distance blast with the 'Cut' effect.

#Davis

Leap Attack - Damage considerably increased.
Energy Blast - Shoots multiple blasts. Ball count starts high but decreases per wave.
Shrafe - Sends out innumerable tiny dragon heads which travels for only a short distance, each dealing minor damage.
Dragon Punch - Also triggers an explosion, which deals big damage and sends enemy flying.

#Louis

Thunder Punch(Both Jump and Run) - Creates a cleaved wind blast.
Thunder Kick - Creates multiple wind blasts on both front and behind.
Whirlwind Throw - Continuing the whirling cost much less energy.
Phoenix Palm - Sends out icy wind which deals more damage, freezes enemy. Also creates multiple tiny ice balls which chases enemies. They are short ranged, freezes enemy and deals minor damage. Mana cost also reduced.


***Weak Enemies***


#Hunter

Shoots 3 arrows at once.

#Bandit

Much more agile.


***Strong Enemies***


#Mark

Slight increase in agility and in damage.
Dash - Damage increased. Continuation mana cost reduced.

#Sorceror

Ice Blast - Shoots 3 ice balls.
Fire Blast - Shoots 3 fireballs
Heal(Both) - Cost less energy.

#Jack

Energy Blast - Shoots 3 different blast viz. Ice, normal and fire.
Flip - Deals more damage and sends enemies flying.

#Jan
Devil's Judgement - Sends out 5 blasts for every enemy.
Angel's Blessing - Sends 3 healing angels for every ally. Energy cost also drastically reduced.

#Justin

Energy Blast - Shoots 7 very short ranged blast. The blast also sends enemies flying miles away
Wolf Punch - Punch accompanied by 2 blast.

#Knight

Damage greatly increased. Throw distance also greatly increased.

#Monk

ShaoLin Palm - Creates invisible blasts of energy around the monk which deals moderate damage and sends enemies flying.

***Sub-Bosses***


#Bat

Speed Punch - Deals more damage. Also launches the enemy up in the air.
Eye Laser - Summons bats(no. relative to that of no. of enemies) at the end of eye laser.
Summon Bats - Summons bats in 4 simultaneous waves. The no. of bats per wave is relative to that of no. of enemies.

#LouisEX

Phoenix Dance - Summons a few short-lived enemy chasing blades which deals miniscule damage. The blades have the cut effect.
Thunder Punch(Both) - Energy cost reduced to half.
Phoenix Palm - Unleashes a wider blast of wind. Also summons 3 blades for each blast. Energy also moderately cost reduced.


***Bosses***


#Julian

Soul Bomb - Shoots 3 blasts. They also fly in enemy direction.
Skull Blast - Each completed wave of blasts also produces 5 miniature versions of Soul Bomb. The Mini Soul Bomb deals moderate damage.
Big Bang - Releases many Skull blasts while preparing and a Mini Soul Bomb on both sides after the bang.

#Firzen

Firzen Cannon - Shoots 3 beams at once. Starting and continuing energy cost moderately reduced.
Overwhelming Disaster - Creates chasing trails of red flames(burn effect, minor damage) and blue flames(freeze effect, miniscule damage).
Arctic Volcano - THE END OF THE WORLD!!

***Misc***

#Template

Summons chasing short-lived energy balls which deals minor damage. Template's super punch causes multiple invisible blasts which sends enemies flying. Run attack costs' mana but also shoots many blades at break neck speed. The blades have the cut effect. Running jump attack cost mana but deals more damage.
(Kinda like a joke character. I actually planned on making him/her Ultra OP, but then thought, 'That's stupid')

The screen shots don't do this game justice (I'm really bad at 'Screentography')
What will surprise you, or should I say, the USP of this mod is that while all of the characters are terribly empowered, it still feels perfectly balanced. I played with my buddies before uploading this, tweaked and fine tuned until my buddies felt all the main heroes are balanced. But YOU be the judge. please do check it out (I compressed it in a .zip file reducing file size to <30 mb) and I welcome any comments, suggestions, criticism. (Related to this mod of course )

[A-Man]

Sounds very interesting, but I can't say I am going to download it without more description (preferably screenshots or even a video) on what this mod has to show us.

[Hate]

Same..

[LTWasabi]

Sounds very interesting, but I can't say I am going to download it without more description (preferably screenshots or even a video) on what this mod has to show us.

My bad, should have completed my character listing then posted. Well, it's done now. And don't let the Screen Shots fool you. kind of hard to take one and my sense of ..well...'Screen Shotting' is kind of bad.

[A-Man]

So after going through the trouble of unzipping the mod (windows explorer couldn't unzip it, and kept throwing me a 0x80004005 error), I finally managed to try it.

The deal with this mod is letting characters spawn more energy objects in their attacks. The deal breaker was the fact that these energy objects often didn't allow for combos I like to do in LF2 and didn't offer any new combos in return. You called this mod balanced, but there were few moves which didn't quite follow the premise (to name one, Firen's fire breath). You claimed that every move underwent a revamp, but it felt it was merely new opoints that were added in the frames of pretty much every move.

I didn't really enjoy this :\, but that is still just my opinion.

[LTWasabi]

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So after going through the trouble of unzipping the mod (windows explorer couldn't unzip it, and kept throwing me a 0x80004005 error), I finally managed to try it.

The deal with this mod is letting characters spawn more energy objects in their attacks. The deal breaker was the fact that these energy objects often didn't allow for combos I like to do in LF2 and didn't offer any new combos in return. You called this mod balanced, but there were few moves which didn't quite follow the premise (to name one, Firen's fire breath). You claimed that every move underwent a revamp, but it felt it was merely new opoints that were added in the frames of pretty much every move.

I didn't really enjoy this :\, but that is still just my opinion.

Thanks for the feed back....Hmm...should have thought twice before using LZMA compression. Well, i will change it to normal.   The old combos still work okay but sadly there are no new combos(maybe except Deep's new triple ball hit). and as for the attacks you feel are imbalanced(underpowered or overpowered) can you please give me a list so that i can work on it? my main priority is balance and I will be thankful if you can help me out.

[Bupkis]

neat must be something!!!

[Dragon5]

One of my major points I bring up in competitive game design is that projectiles are the most broken thing to exist. An attack detached from your character is an awesome tool. It's possible to balance, but projectiles are part of the reason why bosses are challenging in any video game. Akuma and Sagat in Street Fighter 2 have the most annoying projectiles to deal with and they could win by using them over and over.

Looking through your "upgrades" I see that it only pertains to projectiles for the most part. You've made no adjustment to the damages or the physics of special moves unless you made a projectile spawn from it. You went overboard as everyone else did. You could have done things to imbalance specials such as Davis's Dragon Punch doing multiple hits, allowing Woody's Turn Kick to hit at any range, or even simply increasing the damage of attacks. You've made no adjustments to the physical attacks in the moves, much less adjustments in regard to the special moves working with your new adjustments. The only thing you did was lower the costs for SOME of the moves.

Let me take Dennis for example. You made his Strafe shoot six energy blasts. Either you hit them with four blasts, or they're too close for the blasts to even touch them. The attacks have the same exact properties as before. They work against each other because of it. It's either you hit them far away with four blasts, or you get close enough to use his four kicks. The best you can get is three of each to hit at the same time. Dennis can't reliably blast as well either with him increasing each hit. I assume you are unaware that his second and fourth blasts go upwards and downwards respectively naturally. It kinda works against him.
Davis shoots the same number of blasts each time by comparison. It works better for him because he gets out more faster. Davis's Strafe "projectiles" sends opponents too far away to connect with his Leap Attack half of the time. You made DP more balanced however by sending them away. The fact that Davis could catch an opponent flipping or still be close to them when they get up was a little too dominating.
Why is Deep the only character that has superhuman movement? Granted, his design makes it a little hard to get close, but you went over the top with every movement value that you probably have no idea how it works. Now he is the fastest in the game ON TOP of the same projectile treatment you gave everyone else. If you wanted to make him move faster, you could have simply copied Davis's numbers over Deep's. (Granted, when I first started balancing LF2 characters, I accidentally made Firzen's and Julian's dashes worse than average, but I kept other things about the same) Once again, you don't have the moves and projectiles working with each other. It's either one or the other, or that rare chance of both working somewhat together.

I'm not even gonna start on the rest of the cast as their power levels among each other are relatively the same as before (in other words, they are just about as good/bad as they were in the original game). My biggest complaint is that your new projectile adjustments are a little too far away from the character to be effective at close range. No matter what, I'm fairly confident that this could be improved upon.

Balancing through imbalance is indeed possible, but this approach is not the best way to do it. You're already playing a game that executes this concept exceedingly well. Zenshin is probably the only other mod I know that does a decent attempt at this, and I don't recall that mod using projectiles so heavily. If I really wanted to play a projectile fighting game, I would either play Reinforced LF2, or Immaterial and Missing Power.

TL;DR: You've done what everybody else has done.

PS: Props for the exe editing. If you use a program such as GIMP you could work out the transparency to make it look good on the loading screen.