Next age of DCers&HEXeditors

[Simoneon]

I don't get it.. Why Marti&Starsky can't show us how to do unique adv DC or how to sprite, but most of all abt HEX editing. All HEX editors (I think) will be happy if Marti could teach them. That could improve aaaaalll HEX section (OR maybe DC). :confused:

So one (I'm asking, but I think there could be anyone) of Admins or good friends of Starsky&Marti can ask them to teach unique,secret&mystics techniques of DC,HEX or maybe sprites.

Sorry for such a thread, You can trash it if You want, I just wanted to tell my ideas of next hex editors and DCers age...

Thank You for responses (if there'll be some).

[Angel_Adam]

i know how to DC well,but hex editing there is nothing that i can understand...

[Simoneon]

I know that we know abt all DC and HEX, and there are lots of nice members who can write tutorials, but I'm asking not that. I'm asking to ask Starsky&Marti unique, secret techniques, that they only know that. Maybe that's impossible, but maybe it's worth to try...

[Angel_Adam]

yeah,they invented the game they certainly know enerything...
i mean there isnt any chars that r great as there's so original and the dat. not messy,nice moves..
thanks for the thread...

[~Dome~]

Guys you seam to don´t understand this.
LF2 was coded in C++ and the Wongs even know less about "Data Changing" then we do. they only invented stats and stuff that means they don´t know all possibilities.
New methods have to be invented by yourself. And even if they would know some, I´m sure they wouldn´t tell it to us.

[Silverthorn]

lol. Seriously. Have you seen any advanced techniques regarding DCing in the original characters? No. Because if there was a harder problem which COULD be solved with DCing, Marti simply changed the source code so that it becomes easier. Fusion, Louis transform, and the like.... you might be able to do it with DCing, but a different way was preferred. No offense into Marti's direction but I believe that there are people out there who are more familiar with the DCing matter than he.

DCing tutorials - no.

Silva, genevrier, and others are trying to understand the algorithms, how the exe works. Marti could simply tell them but it's
a) time-consuming for him (don't forget, he has a job) and
b) he doesn't understand most of the source code himself (you can re-read that in the "Chat with Marti"-thread)

HEX tutorials - no.

Good graphic artists develop their own style. The socalled "LF2-style" is actually Starsky-style. If you look around, you'll find some very good spriters around the world. Most of them have developed a style that is similar (but not equal) to the original style. If somebody tries to teach you spriting, it's
a) extremely time-consuming and
b) you'll get different results.
Starsky won't sacrifice his time to do that.

Spriting tutorials - no.

Any questions left?

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edit: dang, ninja'd :P

[TheNave]

I can imagine that the Wongs don't even know 5% about the hex editing what Silva and Genevrier know... 'cuz they created the whole game in c++ and that's alot easier than hex, and an almost completly different thing

[Azriel]

@Blue
I think Marti is the artist of the two; Starsky is more of the programmer. correct me if i'm wrong.

and there's no "secret of dc, hex, and sprites".
dc - yes we would know much more than they do now, mostly because we don't have access to the sourcecode (refer to BP).

sprites - that was Marti's choice of style at the time. Perhaps they did the sprites a completely different way to what we (you) are doing. i.e. spriting huge then resizing or something. perhaps flash. I don't know.

hex - Nave is probably right.

Just accept it, they won't have so much time to free themselves and teach us whatever. the only possible thing (which has a really, really, really tiny chance) would be sprites. We know dc, we know hex (chinese community does as well), and sprites is more of practise than how. You can come up with a good sprite with your own made up style if you practise (and your style changes for the better).



Azriel~

[Lauli]

Maybe there are some hidden things?
One thing that comes to my mind is the perspective: tag. Of course, it's unused, but heck it was a hidden thing :P

[vandesdelca]

how'd you know that we know more than the original creator? maybe there are still some hidden method of DC-ing, secret marti and starsky's spriter tool, etc.

EDIT: and maybe they didn't want to add any moves cus it'll make the game overpowered...