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09-08-2010, 11:42 PM
An argument about socialism with some lunatics. I'm Simon. (Not THAT Simon)
A lot of you will consider this boring.
Relevant information: All people involved live in the USA, and were primarily referencing things located there. Again, I am Simon. But not the Simon who's a mod.
This kind of thing makes me worry about the future of the world.
Zach:
Zachs guide to fixing the economy, step 1:
eliminate all money value, step 2: return to bartering, it provides for a
stable inflation-proof economy
Michael:
but then, inevitably, people are going to disagree on, say, the value of a bowl of pasta primavera, and
there's going to be mass chaos. It's better to have an economy-set standard than no standard at all.
Zach:
I know, lol, I just joking
need to chat u
Simon:
Better idea: Democratic Socialism.
about an hour ago · Like · Delete
Zach Cronin-Hurley:
BAD BAD BAAAADDDDDDDD IDEA
Simon:
You changed it to add an extra "BAD?" Now, tell me. A lot of perfectly reasonable people disapprove
of socialism because they don't think it works. At the same time, however, I find some that seem to
simply hate the idea. Why are you against it?
Zach:
BECAUSE SOCIALISM IS BAD!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT CHINA CUBA!!!! DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE US!!!????
Simon:
That's communism.
Zach:
socialism is different from communism how? Look, I'm sick and have makeup work, I don't have time
for this, I'll let u argue with my cousin who shares the same views later
Simon:
The communist countries you mentioned are controlled by small, arguably corrupt parties. With
socialism, the people have a say in the government.
Regardless, good luck with your makeup work, Zach.
Zach:
Thanks, I still believe that we should follow the constotution and not convert to socialism, because
that wouldn't be anerica, FYI if that happened I would move
Simon:
Zach, perhaps you should glance over the constitution instead of Beck's blackboard. The US
constitution says NOTHING about capitalism. Socialism is at least as good a fit, if you're going by
what the founding fathers said.
Zach:
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, I'm now just going to sit here laghing
at they guy knocking our government and founders HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I gtg
Simon:
I'm not sure whether the sad part is that you don't realize that this is an issue of facts, or that you
think that I'm dissing the founding fathers by saying the factual truth that they didn't specify
capitalism.
Julia:
no socialilism no barfering! yeye the america is happy!
Zach:
lol, not saying our gov. isn't corrupt now, but it's better than socialism
Julia:
PRAISE THE LORD WE HAVE A CAPITOLISTIC
Julia:
contry.
Simon:
But the system is not working...
We're not living in a democracy, not even a republic! It's an oligarchy!
Zach:
indeed, well, our educational money should be going to spelling tho XD
Zach:
that was to julia
Zach:
It's because it's corrupt like I said, and you have said, we can agree on at least one thing, but if we
uncorrupt it by holding our leaders accountable to a moral basis based on well...good morals
Simon:
Learning to spell is a hell of a lot less important than learning what the constitution actually says,
Zach.
Julia:
kk. we need some work but if we went to socialism than our health care word be worse and we
wouldnt be the free country everyone dreams of coming to eventually we would go by the declaration
of independence. so thts y we need to keep our country the way it is even if we need help
Zach:
lol, um, igualmente
Julia:
Simon:
Okay, there's a few issues with that.
1: With democratic socialism, we would be free. Not billionaires, but everyone would be working
together and living relatively well.
2: The Declaration of Independence is not a document that affects our government. You're thinking of
the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence was what got signed to start the Revolutionary
War.
3: Health care would NOT be worse. It would be FAR better for the average person. While it is true that
under the current system, the rich have access to very good medical care, we also have the middle
class (Far more people in the middle class, you know) where when someone gets sick, they go
bankrupt. That would not happen in a socialist country. Everyone would have access to decent
medical care, when they need it.
4: Please, PLEASE use punctuation, ma'am!
Simon:
*A few MAJOR issues with what you said.
Julia:
people should have the right to be as rich or poor as they like and thank you i ment the constitution.
anyway if people arent willing to work hard and get an education because there are scolarships out
there, then they should be making the same as those who work really hard at what the do. and if you
like socialism so much then why is it tht your parent live in america. just saying not to be rude or
anything
Zach:
Okay, so, we would all be free socialists, here's the problem, WE WOULD ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME
THING, a noble idea, being equal, but some will work, others won't, and it all just collapses in
Julia:
wait ur tlking about socialism collapsing right?
Simon:
All right, Zach, I disagree with you about that, but that's not the point.
So, if that's the only problem with socialism, then why the hell do you think that any policy even
remotely similar to that (e.g: Socialized medicine) is a horrible, horrible idea?
Zach:
yeas
Julia:
kk.
Zach:
Thats by far the only problem, BY FAR. but, I don't have time to write a disertation, my cousin will
come fight with u later
Julia:
haha. i cant change anyones oopinions only mine. so watever anyone thinks its up to them. (when
they turn 18)
Simon:
Julia, you seem to think that everyone has equal opportunities. That's not true by any stretch of the
imagination. What about all the people who work hard and live in poverty? Hell, what about everyone
who lost their jobs and are living on the streets because the top 1% of the population, the big shots
on Wall Street screwed the economy? Do you want to be the one to tell them they're unemployed
because they're LAZY?!!?
Julia:
no im not saying tht they are lazy or at least not ALL of them but think for a second no matter how
bad ur life is you can turn it around and you CAN be a success story. im sure some people think tht
cause they dont have a leg up in life tht they cant do any better than where they are today. and sure
not everythings fair but people do have a chance in America and ya i might have a silly imagination
thinking tht everyone can do good but im opptomistic of cvourse you have people who have hard
lives but they can get over it. and the idiots on wall street should be in jail.
Simon:
The idea that you can always make it big by trying harder, no matter who you are, is just a lie by the
rich screwing you over, to keep the rest of the country from killing them. It seems to be working fairly
well, considering you're arguing against your best interest because of it.
Julia:
they cant do any thing better but they can and need to get over it. and the people in wall street can go
to jail
and there souls will not be fufilled
Simon:
How do you propose you get them in jail? By the system that you claim is perfectly fine and happy,
most of them haven't done anything illegal.
Zachs guide to fixing the economy, step 1:
eliminate all money value, step 2: return to bartering, it provides for a
stable inflation-proof economy
Michael:
but then, inevitably, people are going to disagree on, say, the value of a bowl of pasta primavera, and
there's going to be mass chaos. It's better to have an economy-set standard than no standard at all.
Zach:
I know, lol, I just joking
need to chat u
Simon:
Better idea: Democratic Socialism.
about an hour ago · Like · Delete
Zach Cronin-Hurley:
BAD BAD BAAAADDDDDDDD IDEA
Simon:
You changed it to add an extra "BAD?" Now, tell me. A lot of perfectly reasonable people disapprove
of socialism because they don't think it works. At the same time, however, I find some that seem to
simply hate the idea. Why are you against it?
Zach:
BECAUSE SOCIALISM IS BAD!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT CHINA CUBA!!!! DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE US!!!????
Simon:
That's communism.
Zach:
socialism is different from communism how? Look, I'm sick and have makeup work, I don't have time
for this, I'll let u argue with my cousin who shares the same views later
Simon:
The communist countries you mentioned are controlled by small, arguably corrupt parties. With
socialism, the people have a say in the government.
Regardless, good luck with your makeup work, Zach.
Zach:
Thanks, I still believe that we should follow the constotution and not convert to socialism, because
that wouldn't be anerica, FYI if that happened I would move
Simon:
Zach, perhaps you should glance over the constitution instead of Beck's blackboard. The US
constitution says NOTHING about capitalism. Socialism is at least as good a fit, if you're going by
what the founding fathers said.
Zach:
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, I'm now just going to sit here laghing
at they guy knocking our government and founders HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I gtg
Simon:
I'm not sure whether the sad part is that you don't realize that this is an issue of facts, or that you
think that I'm dissing the founding fathers by saying the factual truth that they didn't specify
capitalism.
Julia:
no socialilism no barfering! yeye the america is happy!
Zach:
lol, not saying our gov. isn't corrupt now, but it's better than socialism
Julia:
PRAISE THE LORD WE HAVE A CAPITOLISTIC
Julia:
contry.
Simon:
But the system is not working...
We're not living in a democracy, not even a republic! It's an oligarchy!
Zach:
indeed, well, our educational money should be going to spelling tho XD
Zach:
that was to julia
Zach:
It's because it's corrupt like I said, and you have said, we can agree on at least one thing, but if we
uncorrupt it by holding our leaders accountable to a moral basis based on well...good morals
Simon:
Learning to spell is a hell of a lot less important than learning what the constitution actually says,
Zach.
Julia:
kk. we need some work but if we went to socialism than our health care word be worse and we
wouldnt be the free country everyone dreams of coming to eventually we would go by the declaration
of independence. so thts y we need to keep our country the way it is even if we need help
Zach:
lol, um, igualmente
Julia:
Simon:
Okay, there's a few issues with that.
1: With democratic socialism, we would be free. Not billionaires, but everyone would be working
together and living relatively well.
2: The Declaration of Independence is not a document that affects our government. You're thinking of
the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence was what got signed to start the Revolutionary
War.
3: Health care would NOT be worse. It would be FAR better for the average person. While it is true that
under the current system, the rich have access to very good medical care, we also have the middle
class (Far more people in the middle class, you know) where when someone gets sick, they go
bankrupt. That would not happen in a socialist country. Everyone would have access to decent
medical care, when they need it.
4: Please, PLEASE use punctuation, ma'am!
Simon:
*A few MAJOR issues with what you said.
Julia:
people should have the right to be as rich or poor as they like and thank you i ment the constitution.
anyway if people arent willing to work hard and get an education because there are scolarships out
there, then they should be making the same as those who work really hard at what the do. and if you
like socialism so much then why is it tht your parent live in america. just saying not to be rude or
anything
Zach:
Okay, so, we would all be free socialists, here's the problem, WE WOULD ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME
THING, a noble idea, being equal, but some will work, others won't, and it all just collapses in
Julia:
wait ur tlking about socialism collapsing right?
Simon:
All right, Zach, I disagree with you about that, but that's not the point.
So, if that's the only problem with socialism, then why the hell do you think that any policy even
remotely similar to that (e.g: Socialized medicine) is a horrible, horrible idea?
Zach:
yeas
Julia:
kk.
Zach:
Thats by far the only problem, BY FAR. but, I don't have time to write a disertation, my cousin will
come fight with u later
Julia:
haha. i cant change anyones oopinions only mine. so watever anyone thinks its up to them. (when
they turn 18)
Simon:
Julia, you seem to think that everyone has equal opportunities. That's not true by any stretch of the
imagination. What about all the people who work hard and live in poverty? Hell, what about everyone
who lost their jobs and are living on the streets because the top 1% of the population, the big shots
on Wall Street screwed the economy? Do you want to be the one to tell them they're unemployed
because they're LAZY?!!?
Julia:
no im not saying tht they are lazy or at least not ALL of them but think for a second no matter how
bad ur life is you can turn it around and you CAN be a success story. im sure some people think tht
cause they dont have a leg up in life tht they cant do any better than where they are today. and sure
not everythings fair but people do have a chance in America and ya i might have a silly imagination
thinking tht everyone can do good but im opptomistic of cvourse you have people who have hard
lives but they can get over it. and the idiots on wall street should be in jail.
Simon:
The idea that you can always make it big by trying harder, no matter who you are, is just a lie by the
rich screwing you over, to keep the rest of the country from killing them. It seems to be working fairly
well, considering you're arguing against your best interest because of it.
Julia:
they cant do any thing better but they can and need to get over it. and the people in wall street can go
to jail
and there souls will not be fufilled
Simon:
How do you propose you get them in jail? By the system that you claim is perfectly fine and happy,
most of them haven't done anything illegal.
Relevant information: All people involved live in the USA, and were primarily referencing things located there. Again, I am Simon. But not the Simon who's a mod.
This kind of thing makes me worry about the future of the world.
Henry David Thoreau Wrote:Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine.