06-06-2012, 07:43 PM
(06-06-2012, 05:40 PM)Simoneon Wrote: One day I am going to create a selfish thread, which will ask opinions about me from other members.Not before I trash it
Jokes aside, this is an interesting discussion. Time to jump right into it.
(06-06-2012, 03:46 PM)Bamboori Wrote: well, maybe we should make a new rule like "dont be lazy when posting".Now, how exactly does one want to set a limit on that? What can be considered "lazy" and what is just "short & sweet"? The problem is the same as with a set word-limit in a post. Having something like this causes more problems than being solved.
(06-06-2012, 03:46 PM)Bamboori Wrote: users should always think what use their post would have and if its worth to post.This.
Really, this is probably the most important issue. Having tons of posts doesn't automatically imply that one is a good member... I am aware that my post-count isn't quite small; and yes, I have made tons of mistakes. The advantage I had was that I started here right out as a GM, which gave me a bit of jester's freedom. But yeah, reading old posts is a nightmare
(06-06-2012, 03:46 PM)Bamboori Wrote: maybe we should also loosen up the percentage for the rule breaks, like this: newer users get less percent than more experienced users.If I remember correctly, we already have something like this, however, it's enforced manually. At least, judging from the warnings I see that are handed out (please note that I have neither time nor will to check each warning, so these are only "samples" I can refer to), newcomers usually get much less warnings compared to more experienced ones. Of course, there is a limit; if one consistently breaks the rules and doesn't react to advice given via mod-notice/post/etc, it ultimately ends in warnings. Now, I don't exactly know how each user with warning-privs handles this, but this is at least what I see.
(06-06-2012, 09:16 AM)Alblaka Wrote: Rather have an empty, then a spammed forum.I don't know if you've experienced the last weeks of danethical, but that was spamming at its finest. In those terms, I do agree that a spammed forum makes your brain go boom. Although, I personally think, it's about a healthy middle between an overly censored posting vs. "say what you want, how you want, we don't care". By that, I mean: trash the blatantly obvious spam-messages, keep the ones that contain at least a bit of sanity. Now, this is terribly subjective again. The problem is that people cannot look into each other's minds, so they don't actually know if the person making a borderline-post intended to have something deeper connoted to it or if it's just a simple "meh".
(06-06-2012, 09:29 AM)EXG9 Wrote: Admins, why wont you making something like this:From any online-community I am registered at, LFE would be the first one that actually went after its users like that. I don't know, as a newcomer, I'd be pretty scared if suddenly a message like this came up: "To continue, please answer the following question: what is the fifteenth word used in the Forum Rules" (note that this is a really bad example, but I hope you get the point). Additionally, if there were some sort of free-response-questions, one would have to evaluate the answers. No computer can do that. And does any of the staffers have an urge to do exactly this? I highly doubt it.
When registering they should answer some questions from forum rules thread(when do you get warn, how many warn point for rule 3)
(06-06-2012, 03:04 PM)dixon Wrote: Constant ban/post deletion might keep any newcomers out of here and eventually even old geezers will leave due to nothingshappenning. So I'd think twice if something like short sentence post is really worth the trouble of causing possible eventual abandonment of forum.That's pretty much it, on one hand, the most active people in terms of projects are newcomers, whilst the olders generally tend to comment/criticize/bash these people's works. Much of the initiative has been lost, and, after demotivating somebody in their project, the activity just sinks again. So, in a way, it seems to go towards the boredom-phase.
(06-06-2012, 10:50 AM)YinYin Wrote: i'm sure someone who has already left us said something like this:That is a criterion that's being taken into account when promoting somebody to mod-state. Even though, looking back at some decisions taken, this is not always working out well.
mods should be role models, not just trash collectors
By any means, this doesn't imply that the current lot of moderators is infallible, flawless, however you want to call it. Have a bad day and lots of things can go wrong... (in this, I'm probably the best example again)
However, there is a reason why they were appointed. They usually spam less than average, bring in a friendly attitude, have awesome ideas, you name it. Each one has been picked (that is referring to the decisions where at least I was involved in) because there is something about them which makes them special in a positive way. But this is probably deviating quite a bit from the actual topic, so back to it: except for those "bad moments", they usually behave in a way that is desired. However, it's obvious that, after a while, the regular mod-duties become weary. This is the problem with it; after a while, people change. And this job seems to play a catalyst in that. Or any sort of recognition, really. MOTMs, Adv DCers, whatever. Today, they're the awesome guy next-door that everybody wants to be like, tomorrow, they're Mr. Butthead. In a way, it's inevitable, and I'm really appreciating the work that anybody has spent into making LFE what it's like today. I don't really mean anything regarding the forum-functionality but rather the community itself. It has grown as well. Everybody shapes it, some less, some more. It's just that latter are mostly staffers, due to their power. I remember the time when I, freshly GM'd (aka. "Evilmod"), trashed any post that contained the slightest traces of spam. After a short time, the atmosphere got strict and it seemed that people thought twice before posting.
Was it good? Doubtable, it's this censorship-stuff I mentioned earlier. Making the rules too strict kills the open, free discussion. No forum wants that. That's why a little moderating is good, too much or less is bad. And keeping this line is hard.
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