07-04-2012, 12:32 PM
(07-04-2012, 11:35 AM)Kevin Wrote: hmm about the Higgs_boson, as far as I understand (if I'm wrong, please state because I read everything quickly rather than carefully), even though it's called 'God Particle', actually it's another theory of how the universe was created, thus, instead, it disproves the existence of God since that certain particle is the substitute of the God Himself.The Higgs-Boson isn't a particle that substitutes god or disproves him. It's supposedly the particle that explains why (some) other particles have (part of) their mass.
(07-04-2012, 09:52 AM)qwertz143 Wrote: see this is not fairReligions don't kill people, people with religions kill people. As well as people without religions btw.
self ignorant people believing in one religion is the cause of war
religion is unfair
this is all due to the belief of god, who is actually not present :/
(07-04-2012, 10:22 AM)A-MAN Wrote: Further more, holy books were sent to explain more...And how do you decide which holy books speak the truth and which don't? I'm not referring to christianity and islam only here.
(07-04-2012, 10:22 AM)A-MAN Wrote: But if we ask "if someone else really programmed the data changer, who programmed someone else? and where in this hard disk does he live??". and then we pick the right answer as "well then someone else probably doesn't exist" this is all wrong, because someone else got nothing like the program. His world is different. And this goes same with god.To ask 'who programmed someone else' is indeed a bad question. To ask 'how can there be a someone else who programmed this data changer' isn't. As I said, to me it's just shifting the point from where on we can't understand. Either we don't understand how there can be a universe emerging from nothing or we can't understand how there can be a god.
Note that the conclusion isn't that god doesn't exist. But it also isn't that god does exist.
(07-04-2012, 05:42 AM)A-MAN Wrote: If I list the proves that god exists, i would fill this whole page with text. U too meet me in IRC of ur interested.I guess you are reffering to those (among others maybe)? http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index.php
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT: "Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)"
Keeping aside for a moment that the quote doesn't say anything about using them for identification, the claim that the uniqueness was only discovered in the 19th century is false. Fingerprints were used as a signature in the ancient babylon already, as well as China.
Creation from clay:
Quote:When the human body is examined today, it may be discovered that many elements present on the earth are also to be found in the body.No surprise. Which elements would our bodies be build of, if not those present on the earth? We'e got to get them from somewhere.
Mathematical Miracles: Site doesn't work right now. However, for anything supposedly encoded in the Quuran, read this:
http://www.awitness.org/essays/bibcode.html
It's about the bible, but can just as well be applied.
If those miracles are about some complex mathematical patterns, look at the Divine Comedy for example. The math in that one is pretty funky.
THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE: No collisions between galaxies? The hell. Galaxies collide time and time again, but one collision can take millions and millions of years. But there is so much space between stars that those only collide very rarely. It does happen though.
Sun and Moon orbiting(in the video): No one knew about orbits 1400 years ago? Where did they get that. What's with Ptolemy and other greek astronomers?
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH: Scientists aren't even sure whether that will happen or not.
Duality:
Quote:Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them.Duality is a really old concept and if you assume that whoever talks about duality means antimatter and stuff like that, then pretty much every civilization had better scientists than we have.
Spherical Earth: Again, already known by the greek 300 before christ. In fact, the knowledge about this in the islamic world came from the greeks.
... I don't really have the time to look at them one by one. If you've got anything which you think is particularly bullet-proof, I'd like to hear that one.
(07-04-2012, 12:10 PM)empirefantasy Wrote: UFO and aliens.Over 90% of UFO sightings are actually caused by the Venus. Also:
http://xkcd.com/718/
(07-04-2012, 12:10 PM)empirefantasy Wrote: well, let's start with the theory of universe creation. the big bang theory beat some decades ago another theory which i don't remember. But still it is not 100% sure.That's science. Theories can't be proven, only disproven, that's why they are theories. But you can make predictions and conduct experiments to see if reality matches those predictions. And if all your experiments point towards the theory working, chances are high there's some truth in it.
Quote:Unknown things about some things, example: Experiment of Florida.Care to explain? Google seems to know several experiments of florida.
Quote:The origin of all creatures in earth. Darvin theory don't have proofs.See above.

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