Atheism - ? I agree..

[Silverthorn]

If you're trying to explain religion with science, you'll quickly run into troubles. Why? Because science enlarges its horizon each day. Let's take a sneak-peak at how things (especially in regard to physics) evolved:

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Somewhere before the invention of fire - people notice that when you place one rock to another rock, you have two rocks. Awesome!
Ancient Egypt - lever principle discovered. Doubtful that it was actually quantified, but they saw how things worked and built upon that.
Ancient Greece - Basic mathemathical foundations to describe geometry (Pythagoras, Euklid, Thales, Archimedes, etc) and basic mechanics
*leap into the modern age*
1500-1700: Classical mechanics, developed by people such as Newton, Galilei -- usually the stuff that's taught at school nowadays
1700-1900: Electrodynamics: this magical thing that causes lightning, explains how radios work, etc. Faraday, Lorentz, Maxwell. Only parts of it are covered in school.
around 1900:
- Theory of Relativity. What's that? If you accelerate a particle to very high speeds, strange things start to happen. Newton didn't foresee that! But everybody thought that it'd be sufficient to solve anything in mechanics! Did he lie to us then? No, he just couldn't imagine a situation like this to happen (frankly, have you ever tried to throw an apple with the speed of 300,000 km/s? If you manage to do that, you deserve the nobel prize).
- Quantum Physics. What's that? If you look at really small stuff of the magnitude of an atom, things don't behave like they're supposed to! Maxwell lied to us! Well, no, stuff like electrons just follow statistics... and Maxwell didn't know about that. If you manage to define the place of an electron at any given time, you'll definitely get the nobel prize as well, btw.
- around 1960: particle physics. Really strange stuff, have a really small proton which you fill with even smaller things called "quarks". A proton consists of 2 up- and 1 down-quark which is already strange; but there are also really funny particles like neutrinos which go through our bodies like a bullet through a soap-bubble. Do you feel it tickle? No? Good, then you're still sane. But really, they pretty much don't interact with anything, so detecting them is hard. Really hard. The LHC at CERN is built to check for particles such as Z-bosons, W-bosons, gluons, muon, whateveron. And the Higgs-Boson. If you don't plan on doing your PhD-thesis in particle-physics, you'll probably never really understand how they work (I know roughly what they mean, which I consider 1 of my greatest 1000 achievements in my life ). Anyways, a Higgs-Boson creates a field (similar to a charged object creates an electric field which makes your hair stand up) which, when it interacts with other particles, gives them a mass. Theoretical physics, weird stuff. They say that, when there is no Higgs-Boson, there cannot be mass. Did anybody in the gazillion years before care about it? No, not really. If it wasn't so greatly on the news that, supposedly, the Higgs-Boson has been discovered, you wouldn't probably know about its existence.

With that in the back of our heads, this just shows how mankind has known more and more over the ages. Zeus, the god of lightning, was the explanation for the Greeks how those miraculous flashes come into existence. They just didn't know about the existence of electricity. Amun, the Egypt god of wind, can be nowadays explained by any physics-college-student. Coriolis-force and stuff. The Egypts didn't know about that stuff either.

Higgs-Boson, this "God particle" is just named like that by somebody who searched for a cooler name. You wouldn't call an electron the "Archangel particle" either, just because I said so, right? Either way, the Higgs-Boson only has this name because it is/was about as hard to find as God. Nothing else.

For commoners a couple centuries back in time, it was certainly easier to believe in God than it is today. More and more stuff gets explained and you have to dig really deep to find unsolved mysteries. There are these awesome theories about quantum-foam, strings, branes, etc; if you have nothing to do, take a look at those. That is, if you want to fry your brain if you want to understand what they're actually talking about. Do those branes exist? "God knows".

What if we actually live in a 4-dimensional hyperspace but yet are only able to realize 3 dimensions. Think of it as if you're a flat shadow. You wouldn't know how to jump because this is completely over your mind. Now, what if there was, in the n-th dimension, an omnipotent being that can see us but we can't see nor detect it? We just don't know because this is beyond measurement.

I don't really mind believers, nor atheists. As long as they keep it to themselves, I am perfectly fine with it; but when they are trying to convince me about why their world-view is superior than mine, they can go look for a different place.

There are so many interpretations to holy documents, Bible, Quran, Torah, Sutras, you name it, that it's crazy. This explains the different branches of each religion. Technically, one religion has the same base but people interpret different stuff into the sentences. They're written in a way which allows people to do that. Examples?

God made decrees for the rain. And He set a way for the lightning of the thunder

2000 years ago, nobody knew why it rained or why a tower was struck by a flash. Anybody saying something different in that time was a heretic.
Nowadays, one can say that weather abides the chaos-theory and can make estimations. But how does the chaos-theory know what is chaos? Is it God's work? Or does it rely on hard conditions that are deterministic. You'll, inevitably, get into quantum-mechanics again where everything is based on chaos and statistics. Who controls the chaos? We don't know.

[We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature.

Yes, by the time of writing, there was no way to tell what happens inside a mother's womb. But the way it's described, isn't this just the reverse process of decomposition? An alive creature passes away; firstly, it loses its flesh due to decay, leaving only the bones. Later on, the bones will erode away, too, until there is nothing left. And that was already well-observed in that age.


Believe in what you think is right. I don't want to push anybody into anything; ultimately, it's your decision what you're striving for.


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