Atheism - ? I agree..

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You guys are too fast for somebody like me to keep up with this thread Probably the last time I'll be writing in here, but I can't keep things unanswered, can I?

Islam said that the other older books where created by god, but then edited by people to serve their needs. So a book edited by people isn't really accepted as a religion book.

This is a rather circular argument, don't you think? I mean, you need to believe that what is written in the quran is the truth to conclude that the quran is the one true religion book. Also, as I said, I'm not referring to the bible and torah only.

I'm deliberately not quoting the part about the creation of the universe, because it's quite clear we're just running in circles with that argument.

They were true in the end....so, true
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This shows that it wasn't written by a human being. And this was also written in the qura'an not only in the video.
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So true and qura'an approved that.
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So quraan told the truth here either.

You seem to miss my point. I'm not saying that what the quran says is false. I'm saying that it was common knowledge at that time and can hardly be considered a miracle.

I mean not every word in the qura'an must have a scientific miracle in it.

True that. However, if they are presented as scientific miracles, you'd expect them to be more miraculous.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html

Allah is the light of the heavens and the Earth. The metaphor of His light is that of a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp inside a glass, the glass like a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, its oil all but giving off light even if no fire touches it. Light upon light.

I'd find it more impressive if it actually said anything about quasars. 'Giving off light even if no fire touches it' is true for stars in general, not only quasars (On that note: Quasars aren't stars, quasar is short for quasi-stellar object. I wonder where they've got the description 'bright, stellar bodies' from on that site? ).
'Even if no fire touches it'. My first thought (given that it is preceeded by 'it's oil all') would have been that it means that there is no fire needed to lighten it (or anything else, for that matter), rather than that it burns without fire.
Stars not burning with fire seems obvious to me even without the use of any physic knowledge, but then again I know the answer beforehand.
But lets go with their definition. The verse says 'Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth'. Wouldn't you expect his light to be more 'holy' and less 'physical' than simple fire? No wonder that it needs no fire to shine.
Getting from light upon light to gravitational lens effect (which isn't exclusive to Quasars btw) wouldn't have been my first thought either.
The whole verse strikes me as having many possible meanings. And if google can be trusted, there are many interpretations:
http://www.adishakti.org/his_light_withi..._islam.htm
Thus, it doesn't seem particularly hard to find a scientific interpretation.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html

That one was about the sun and helium/Hydrogen, right? Link doesn't work right now.
Either way, it doesn't strike me as particularly special that it's the only Surah with every verse ending with those letters. I mean, you wouldn't expect that to happen in a lot of Surahs, would you? What seems more special is the Surahs number, 91, which supposedly is the number of elements without hydrogen (why without?) in nature.
However, there is no one true number of elements in nature. There are 118 known elements, 98 of those have been observed in nature. If you omit some which are highly unstable and exist only for a very short period of time, you can arrive somewhere between 88 and 98. Or 80 if you only count the stable ones. Now you still have the choice between all, all without hydrogen or all without hydrogen and helium. That are quite some possible surahs, of which just one has to have a possible connection to the sun or even elements... If it was surah 70-75/??-28, you could also make a connection to the amount of hydrogen/helium in the sun. Or you go by volume instead of mass which gives you other numbers still. Or you go by wordcount etc.

I'll look at the other examples you gave me, though I can't promise I'll have the time to write a text about them.

He challenged them to write a passage which is similar to it, but they couldn't. God even challenged them to write a verse similar to it, but still, a fail..... Some people even said that qura'an was a mixture of writing and magic, and that a human being can never write anything like that.

I'm curious, how does one determine whether a verse is similar to the quran or not?