[Debate]#Main: The Debate thread

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I will have to disagree with plato's hierarchy. Even you will have to disagree with that since you have stated that "Should the king be an idiot, tyranny takes place."

Plato's hierarchy puts tyranny below democracy...

So are you trying to imply that Democracy is highly unstable and Aristocracy/monarchy is a better form when formed by educated minds/mind?

Yes, that is my point. Democracy consists of mob mentality, and everyone has different interests and misconceptions. It creates serious instability and division in a country.

However, in an aristocracy, everyone should be able to have a chance to get a place in the government by simply coming to be the best in their field of study. Problem is when someone is favoured through the power of money and oligarchy takes place.

People mostly root to certain political party depending upon the election campaign/ track records(not many look into it though!) but then again the political party they root to, would have slipped in certain aspects! So we cannot entirely say that people ignorant about the election and voting system. I think STM pretty much makes the same point. It comes with the strings attached.

As you said, few really look into it. They mostly care about who serves their individualistic interests (usually who brings them more $). So the poor will vote for those that defend equality, imposing heavier taxes on the rich (regardless of their merit). The rich will vote for those who don't. Democracy can be summed up to this.

Looks more like oligarchy pulling the strings behind the curtain to me.

Oligarchy, I don't think it's possible. If one party tries to over power, there are other parties who can combine and form a even more destructive force and over throw them.

Well, the question is:

1. Who created those parties in the first place?
   
2. Who favours those that climb to become the head of their parties?
   
3. Who pays for all the advertisement of those parties (clearly they do not have equal amount of advertisement)
   
4. Who sustains the social media that has a role on influencing people's minds?
   
5. And ultimately, the weak countries that cannot sustain themselves answer to whom (regardless of their system)?
   
6. The power to create and destroy money used to lie in the State, in the past, but now it doesn't. It lies on external entities like Federal Reserve.
   

So, oligarchy not possible?

It doesn't take a genius to realize that the masses can be easily manipulated by media and that the people who picked the candidates to choose from have the real power, but this is a very powerful illusion nevertheless.

Yep, it gives you the idea that you hold any power, when you actually don't.