Racism (from a moral standpoint)

[Uri]

@LutiChris You say a lot in your post, I will answer to it when I have more time.

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@limi

1. Why does it bother you that """a lot""" of "free countries" nowadays are too "miser" with accepting a certain amount of people from 3rd world countries?

2. What scientific source do you have that absolutely asserts that there is no difference in IQ among races, as you claim? Because I know of a few studies that show otherwise (such as the bell curve by Charles A. Murray and Richard Herrnstein that Luti shared here), although there is not enough proof to blame it on race as I understand it. Still, looking at history, we can see that black people are largely unsuccessful everywhere, including the 1st world countries they emigrate to and live in for decades or centuries.

3. As Ian said, it is not a separate issue at all to be pro-immigration in vast numbers or in few numbers. Asia has 4.4 billion people, Europe has 741 million. If you'd want to better distribute population around the planet, you could very well send a billion of Asians into Europe, which would result in the end of the white race.

But, why is this a bad thing? Suppose we take in the most intelligent Asian people who value democracy, liberalism, etc. We'd still be destroying the white race as in few years their numbers would shrink drastically due to low birth rates and miscegenation. If you oppose this, then you're a "racist" (not really but you'll be branded that way).

But I don't see why we're even discussing numbers. France, as of 2014, before the refugee crisis, only had 70% population whose parents are both French. This is a disgrace for the various European indigenous people, who are slowly but surely disappearing from this world.

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1.because than more people stay poor and poorly educated while migrating to the developed world would integrate them into the world economy. I am in favor of slowly accepting immigrants from impoverished countries. In the long term, unless those countries manage to develope meanwhile, it does mean that "white genes" will became a minority.
2.As you said, that is not race-related (nature), but poor education (nurture). integrating the immigrants into society will eliminate those gaps. Of course blacks are still not as successful as whites: in the USA they have been emancipated only half-century ago, and they are migrants in Europe. Rich people can invest in the education of their children, while the poor are trapped in a cycle. That's why there's a gap, not inferior IQ genes.

I argue that genes does not matter. No, the group values will become one as the groups integrate. And those values will be the Liberal-Democratic values, as they what makes sense.

@Ansam I don't have much to disagree with what you've said now, except:

brute

noun

1. a savagely violent man or animal.
"he was a cold-blooded brute"
synonyms: savage, beast, monster, animal, sadist, barbarian, devil, demon, fiend, ogre; More

2.an animal as opposed to a human being.
"we, unlike dumb brutes, can reflect upon our impulses"
synonyms: animal, beast, wild animal, wild beast, creature; informal critter
"the Alsatian, a vicious-looking brute, strained at the leash"

adjective

1. unreasoning and animal-like.
"a brute struggle for social superiority"

Was considering more the 2nd definition. If < IQ Then > Brute. Imho.

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1.because than more people stay poor and poorly educated while migrating to the developed world would integrate them into the world economy. I am in favor of slowly accepting immigrants from impoverished countries. In the long term, unless those countries manage to develope meanwhile, it does mean that "white genes" will became a minority.
2.As you said, that is not race-related (nature), but poor education (nurture). integrating the immigrants into society will eliminate those gaps. Of course blacks are still not as successful as whites: in the USA they have been emancipated only half-century ago, and they are migrants in Europe. Rich people can invest in the education of their children, while the poor are trapped in a cycle. That's why there's a gap, not inferior IQ genes.

1. This is a backward "solution". Imagine if when the Europeans discovered Africa they had imported savage people into Europe in order to take them out of their misery (with Europe paying the price ofc) instead of dominating and developing Africa. Today Africa would still be an absolute jungle, in pre-historic times, and Europe a more poor civilization, dragged down by this burden of uplifting and supporting savages.

Here's the bottom line: Immigration won't solve Africa's problems. Millions will still suffer. Saving a few won't save the whole. And these countries will never develop because their best people will flee from an oppressive regime and brutish society, instead of revolting and fighting for their country's best interest. If you wish to help Africans the best way is to exercise control over them. Not necessarily by colonizing them but by forcing their politicians to bend the knee. (eg. North Korea)

But back to race. Your "solution" does mean that white people will become a minority in their own land (they already are a minority in the world). Do you believe this to be not at all important? I see that you are from Israel. Think of Israel instead of Europe. Would it be fine if Israel got millions of African immigrants into its territory? If it did, it would no longer be Israel and the whole purpose of the birth of this country would have been defeated.

2. I said that? I don't discard the hypothesis of it being race/genetic-related. But I do consider that education plays a big role. The word "integration" is a complicated subject, it touches culture and identity overall, race included. You are misleading about the blacks in Western countries. Being emancipated or not, the truth is that black people have been in contact with western civilization for a long period of time. Africa was a continent of western colonies and it was highly developed before these colonies turned independent. Many blacks came into Europe waaaaay before the refugee crisis, they are still more unsuccessful compared to indo-europeans. Portugal has a lot of black people who came into the country after we lost the colonial war in 1974. Portugal is very tolerant with immigrants and hates racism. I know black people who are decent people. But despite being in contact with a reasonable amount of black people, I don't know ANY black person who is a top student. The elementary schools around here are full of them, but at my university seeing a black person is like seeing a shark at the top of a mountain. I know black people who are good artists though. I am not saying that there aren't any good black students, but they are very few percentage.

Moreover, economics don't play that big of a role as you claim. Many white people who are poor end up being great students. I myself come from an economically humble family, my parents are middle class, divorced, definitely not above average in terms of income, possibly lower even, and I still find myself studying master's degree in Computer Science. I have friends with more poor parents than mine who also got far in their studies.

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@LutiChris Oh yeah, one thing. Hispania is the name given by the Romans to the Iberian peninsula (Portugal and Spain today). Latino is a person from a Latin speaking country, so from the Roman Empire. Hispanics and Latinos should refer to these people, who happen to be white. But the term is now used to the miscegenation of South Europeans with indigenous people from America, something I find not accurate when referring to ethnicity, but accurate when referring to language or ethnical ancestry.

1.You are right that Liberal-Democratic governments should overthrown cruel and corrupted dictators rather than attempt to give shelter to all of their countries' citizents. Israel? yea should accept Syrian refugees in vast numbers, they are neighbours. That's top priority, after that bloody war is finally over we can accept a steady flow of Eritreans, yes. Better through away the dictator though.
2.If you will manage to give here some statistics about the gaps you describe it would be good, though Portugal is a rather small country, so better be it from all the EU or something similar. I saw that you mentioned some statistics that were brought here already, but I didn't manage to find it with all the discussion here.