Schools?

[DoIIIi]

"what's a realtime dcer?" ,Azriel
i think i could need this thing. sounds good by the way

[Monolith]

A-man,srroy i cnat wirte crectyl won,just kidding,u realy do not hearting my feelings.
I just dont say what i...
Aman,so...
Azreal,i know.
Yeah,i knew this is bad idea,well it was worth to try.
If school section will be created then maybe new registered user will want to learn sprite or dc.
Oh well u r..... i.

[Jahvansi]

okay time to give my opinion

when i came here to LFE sth like a sprite school is all i ever wanted.
Before i came here i was active on a narutosprite forum, at this place there where lots of newcomers who got their personal "sensei", basicly what u call the "teachers".
as i said i also wished to have someone like this here, but it didnt seem to be usual..
anyway i kind of learnt spriting by reading every single tutorial more then just once, i tried out a lot, still there where some things which arent explained or as u said mono, it just wasnt like someone would explain it to me.
In the end i improved by spriting and once more spriting. Practice is the most important.
A tutorial which makes u a good spriter is a dream, only practice can make u good in sth... the uncomfortable truth..

Anyway i still would really like to have a school here, but as the most already mentioned i think its really hard to make real,
time is the problem as always, time and probably lazyness. also what should be teached there? special wishes by the "pupils" or everything form the beginning on? how should the concept look like? are there things like homework where the pupil should try to realize what they learnt?there are lots of possibillities...

To sum up, u got my support and maybe sth like this just has to be started, we ttalk to much about things and make them bad before we even try ;/

schools+

[Marko pro]

I think lfe need schools beacuse it cant be bad for newcomer like me.I only can learn something from school...

Like mundvoll say..biggest problem is lazyness..
i want school...
school +

[Kashif]

come on now do not start another school it has been only few months that i have passed school

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just joking i want to learn spriting

[Evil Sonidow]

The pioneers in both fields had to learn and discover that all by themselves, they had no one to turn to. Took them many hours of experimenting, reading whatever was available (I think the number of tutorials back then was very restricted) and trying until they finally grasped the system and became ready to do something more advanced. Their contribution is now a larger array of characters, backgrounds, mods, sprites and tutorials written for the most different purposes.

Asking for a teacher sounds to me as if you could throw all that into the trash and instead just sit there waiting for someone to tell you what to do, which doesn't take anyone far. You have to do it by yourself, fundamentally you have to do work and discover things. That's not to say you cannot discuss your ideas and projects with others, you can and should promote this exchange of information, both as casual conversation and tips on how to achieve a certain effect, followed by going back to work and trying it yourself.

[Monolith]

@Evil sonidow,how many newbies u seen here asking for help,how many have been posted threads about dc,here bunch dc tuts,but no,they still creating threads about simple things.
Here was or he is here,im talking about evan izaak,he was posted his project,when he was unable to do spriting or dc.
When i got interest in lf2 sprites,i searched tuts for spriting with gimp,gimp was best option to me,here was just few tuts,so,i was doing it on my own,i was trying to do sprites from nothing,from no help,later here i got help from others,not from tuts,few weeks ago i was asking about armor shading without anti aliasing,here was no tut about it.

[DoIIIi]

@Evil sonidow,how many newbies u seen here asking for help,how many have been posted threads about dc,here bunch dc tuts,but no,they still creating threads about simple things.

thus i am a newbie =)

[Monolith]

@Doj,this is not only about u,its to all.
In spriting school,example,photoshop spriters will teach use photoshop how to make sprites,best tools for doing sprite,in gimp,paint.net...

[Evil Sonidow]

@Evil Sonidow: how many newbies have you seen here asking for help, how many threads have been posted about DC? There are a bunch of tutorials, but no, they're still creating threads about simple things.

He was or is here, I'm talking about evan izaak, he posted his project when he was unable to do spriting or dc.

When I got interest in lf2 sprites, I searched tuts for spriting with gimp, gimp seemed the best option to me, there were few tuts, so I was doing it on my own, I was trying to do sprites from nothing, with no help. Later here I got help from others, not from tuts. A few weeks ago I was asking about armor shading without anti aliasing, there was no tut about it.

I hope you don't mind, I adapted your post to intelligible english so I could better answer.

You seem to have failed to catch the purpose of my post. I see the loads of posts asking about such basic questions, and I firmly believe that the cause is that they don't know how to follow the tutorial or simply don't have the patience to keep trying until it works. Just because there are tons of easy questions that doesn't mean we should babysit them, a good portion of the problem lies in the lack of perseverance in attacking the issue or simply laziness ("It doesn't work so I'll just post in the forum and let someone do it for me").

About Evan Izaak, the name is familiar and I may have read something about his project (this thread?), and it's a perfect example. What kind of DC and spriting history does he have? What did he try? What was his previous progress before asking for help? What amount of work did he present done before calling others? Help is something you ask after you have tried a lot for yourself, got to a certain point and can't proceed, not others getting it done for you, that's just slacking.

Your own motivations serve to prove my point. When I said the amount of tutorials increased, I never said they covered all the bases and that all possibilities in both fields were exhausted, on the contrary, there's much that's not written down and gets passed in conversations and posts, all the more reason to discuss results with others, provided you do have results. It would be senseless to ask how to do armor shading without anti-aliasing if didn't know how to sprite an armor.

Summarizing, you're always going to have to work all by yourself, but you pass through some stages: first you understand the basics and learn from tutorials, get familiar with the basic techniques and methods, try to develop easy stuff, pass on to moderate then try to grasp the hard and more complex bits. After that, you should be somewhat advanced and at a point that the you're on the cutting edge and there's no bibliography available, that's when discussing becomes more important. You can seek advice in the beginning stages, but be certain of trying a multitude of options before doing so.