RaMafia Special - The End

[Simoneon]

Sorry Nave, but you're going down. Messed up hard this time

[Rhino.Freak]

Guys plot twist I'm mentalist!
JK.
Either ways, after the night ends we may kill Navie-noo chan.

[TheNave]

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Okay, so, I am going to explain everything because I got mistreated by GodFather.
So, I am the insomniac. I am the only player who doesnt get active abilities.

My passive is: Ramon gives me abilty and role of a random role. The insomniac doesnt know he is insomniac.
If real role person dies, Insomniac learns he is actually an Insomniac Mafia.

The whole mafia knows the identity of insomniac. But I only know the name of DogeFather: Nave.

After I got this pm from ram, i contacted nave, shared the big sheet with him. And what is the treatment i get? He doesnt completely trust me.

I gave him all citizen's abilities, he gave me nothing. If this is how I treated, I rather make mafia lose the game. From my POV, It's Nave's fault.

I asked him: share me all identities of other 3 mafia and powers or i will betray. And this after I shared all powers citizens had with him.

Answer: I will tell you after night ends...

Maybe he actually planned to kill me in this night. Well, I am not mentalist anymore. And I am not a tool to be used by Nave. So, I am acting morally and ethically correct from my stance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=95...ile%2cxlsx

This is The Truth. All this info got forged with effort of amny citizens that trusted aman, simon, rhino, mostly me, the former mentalist.

Well This is how it ends. Kill the mafia. If any of you doubts or opposes to the sheet, Feel free to discuss with each other. But know this much: Nave has already seen all.

PS: If nave behaved me, treated me right and like a teammate, Mafia would win the game. Now you are free to lynch all the mafias you like. I cant wait to see tham die one by one drawn by bluephoenix. I only hope you kill me last.

Powers from sheet (Click to View)

Joker Simon
Cannot be lynched in day.
4 One-Time Abilities: 1) Can save someone at night. 2) At night, can cast a lynching vote in secret (appears as ???). 3) At night, can cast a lynching vote in public (appears as done by the Joker)  4) Can learn abilities of someone. #4 is used.
Mentalist Hellblazer
Don tells me who will die current night. If I am targeted, I will hear random name.
In night I ask don for profession, he tells me if job is mafia or not.
Double A-Man
People cannot test him.
If uses ability that night, and mafia killed someone that night, he will get his abilities.
Scientist Amadis
He can get a report of how many abilities were used in a night
He can check one person at night, he'll know of their role and abilities
Gravedigger Rhino
If gravedigger dies this night, no lynching next day.
Can fake the death of someone getting lynched. His life will be revealed 3 turns later. Within those 3 rounds he can only talk to gravedigger. (One time)
Governor MangaD
Any lynch votes against him will be reduced by 1
He can add 1 more secret lynch vote each day
Spy Ariel
If mafia checks him they will see he is mafia, If town checks him they will see he is mafia.
Can check 1 player each night, will learn role and abilities.
Necromancer xxx
Coming Soon
Active ability allows him to resurrect one dead player for one day. That player can only talk and vote, no other actions are possible. He can use it twice, at night.

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Just to add, apoc also is townie

this

is

the

biggest

bullcrap

I've read so far


okay mfc, can you please re-read the entire skype conversation we had with the perspective that I am not the godfather, and had no clue what you're going at and was just playing along making up things that fit with the stuff you confronted me... I mean like you basically came in there saying: "WTF?! I'm mafia, you're the godfather, what is going on?"
I mean, if you really happened to be mafia (even though I think you just recieven a fake-pm by now) then I might have gotten some informations concerning the real mafia members from you... unluckily you didn't know any other than the supposed godfather who you thought was me, that's why I couldnt give you the details of the other members, I do not know them... I just thought I have the oppurtunity to be a wolf in sheeps clothing and got mistaken by a mafia member for beeing one of them... I still have no clue what all this bullcrap is about, but I begin to feel like I just got dunked on by that wierd PM you got because it said I was the godfather... if you ask me, somebody wants to create chaos and get rid of both you and me... and the only fraction that would profit by doing so is mafia themself...

PS: there's still the possibility of you beeing mafia, making up that fake pm just to create even more chaos and so you don't loose the trust of all the people you decieved here when HB was revealed to be the real mentalist

[MangaD]

I'd much rather prefer to lynch mfc first. As things were turning out, mfc was already highly suspicious due to Hellbalzer (being) the Mentalist. So this might be some mafia move to kill more citizens (and possibly important roles) first. mfc already claimed to be mafia, so let's just make things clear. Even if TheNave is the Grandfather, we already know his passive is probably that he cannot be checked, nothing much troublesome now is it?

[AmadisLFE]

I'd much rather prefer to lynch mfc first. As things were turning out, mfc was already highly suspicious due to Hellbalzer (being) the Mentalist. So this might be some mafia move to kill more citizens (and possibly important roles) first. mfc already claimed to be mafia, so let's just make things clear. Even if TheNave is the Grandfather, we already know his passive is probably that he cannot be checked, nothing much troublesome now is it?

Well you are finally getting serious, and yeah, If we want to know who is telling a lie and who is the truthful one, we have to lynch the one that started it, in this case, mfc.

[mfc]

No poor neko, I already was in contact real time with way too many witnesses baby.

And people will believe in me, not you.

Trying to save yourself from this situation, no, It wont happen.

Just in case you made don send me that pm fakely, I will still be checked by Spy.

And he will tell whether I am mentalist or not. Also If I am still mentalist, I will hear names.
But it is a lose-lose situation for you currently.

But In that skype convo, I already have given you all info about citizens I had.

So sharing it didnt matter. And The townies can confirm.

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But I admit, you are really good at shapeshifting

[TheNave]

ehh you know you're just loosing the game for us townies, but oh well, you'll figure that after you lynched me I guess

it's sad that there's no way of convincing you, but I'm not really mad, whoever set up that whole thing here and got me killed like that, kudos to you, you're a mastermind

[mfc]

NaveLog:

Judge yourselves. Nave is just trying to get away after being in this deep feces. Well I am a mafia. So I have nothing to lose. I am playing to lose, just to remind you.

Edit:
Well I am a mafia. So I have nothing to lose. I am playing to lose, just to remind you.
This part is like: You are playing a game with yout teammates. But you share anything you know with them, but after they know all you shared, they dont even tell you their names. It turns out to be a one sided trust. You ask for cooperation, they respond with selfishness. What would you do? Just keep playing the game to let them win? Or betray them to make whole team lose? I chose the latter. Even though at beginning I tried so hard to be at their side, they turned me down and use me as a tool. This is not an insult to game master or something unethical. If you think it is, I have no idea how your reasonings work.

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[13:32:49] Nave: mafia scum!
[13:33:14] xmfcx: no.
[13:33:46] xmfcx: but all your actions really reflects you are actually a townie
[14:21:05] xmfcx: wtf nave
[14:21:17] xmfcx: what have you done
[14:21:18] Nave: what
[14:21:27] xmfcx: I am insomniac?
[14:21:32] xmfcx: i am mafia?
[14:21:59] xmfcx: the nave, godfather?
[14:22:02] xmfcx: explain me?
[14:22:23] Nave: ah give me your abilities
[14:22:26] xmfcx: no
[14:22:32] xmfcx: you explain me everything
[14:22:44] Nave: alrigthy
[14:22:46] Nave: but its alot
[14:22:49] Nave: you ready for this?
[14:22:51] xmfcx: if i am mafia, town is dead.
[14:23:06] xmfcx: game over, gg
[14:23:11] Nave: thing is
[14:23:17] Nave: you were included in our mafia list
[14:23:19] Nave: yet it said
[14:23:26] Nave: you dont know that you're mafia
[14:23:41] Nave: and you will contact the godfather when your true role is revealed
[14:23:50] xmfcx: this is the weirdest thing i have ever experienced in my life
[14:23:59] xmfcx: my breathing changed
[14:24:00] Nave: I asked ramond about it
[14:24:16] Nave: he said that the insomniac was supposed to be shizophrenic without knowing
[14:24:25] Nave: due to lack of sleep
[14:24:30] Nave: so I assume
[14:24:32] xmfcx: oh god i am at work
[14:24:39] xmfcx: but iim laughing
[14:24:51] Nave: does that mean
[14:24:56] Nave: you got an alternate role at the beginning
[14:25:00] Nave: and really had no clue?
[14:25:06] xmfcx: you have no clue
[14:25:27] xmfcx: i will just give you the intel with 3 tabs
[14:25:30] xmfcx: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=95A97CC3A64334C4!1566&authkey=!ANHIQXni4gp3qUk&ithint=file%2cxlsx
[14:25:38] xmfcx: i am betraying everyone
[14:25:45] xmfcx: EVERYONE
[14:25:46] Nave: lmao
[14:25:54] Nave: I'm sorry
[14:26:03] Nave: we didn't know the details about your role
[14:26:05] Nave: and had no clue
[14:26:18] Nave: when you'll get to know you're mafia
[14:26:26] Nave: so we thought
[14:26:27] xmfcx: I AM BETRAYING EVERYONE. I WILL NEVER BE TRUSTED BY ANYONE ANYMORE
[14:26:34] Nave: well
[14:26:36] Nave: it's not your fault
[14:26:50] Nave: the thing is
[14:26:55] Nave: you're in deep sh*t now anyways
[14:27:02] Nave: so I dunno
[14:27:07] Nave: you might have to sacrifice yourself
[14:27:08] xmfcx: NO, ALL THE REAL TOWNIES BELIEVE ME
[14:27:08] Nave: for mafia
[14:27:14] Nave: they do?
[14:27:17] xmfcx: no they all sill believe me
[14:27:20] Nave: like all of them?
[14:27:22] Nave: still?
[14:27:23] Nave: awesome
[14:27:25] xmfcx: yes. all.
[14:27:26] Nave: we can use that
[14:27:30] Nave: to easily win the game
[14:27:37] xmfcx: game is over.
[14:27:54] xmfcx: but this is not how i wanted
[14:28:03] xmfcx: i am the uraginimono
[14:28:22] Nave: it's funny
[14:28:26] Nave: how you almost made us loose
[14:28:28] Nave: and now
[14:28:31] Nave: you made us wun
[14:29:05] xmfcx: now i am contemplating whether to kill mafia to die as a honest man
[14:29:13] xmfcx: or kill town and win game
[14:29:49] xmfcx: don't edit that sheet
[14:32:23] xmfcx: i will win ofc
[14:32:56] xmfcx: my moral values only serve me
[14:32:57] xmfcx: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=95A97CC3A64334C4!1570&authkey=!AHLfja-A4Jhq2c8&ithint=file%2cxlsx
[14:33:12] xmfcx: can you fill the truth column?
[14:36:15] Nave: fill
[14:36:22] Nave: witht what?
[14:36:27] xmfcx: u can edit it
[14:36:59] xmfcx: with real names of course
[14:37:06] xmfcx: i have no idea who any mafia is
[14:37:19] Nave: wait
[14:37:23] Nave: why dont you know mafia?
[14:38:01] xmfcx: All Mafia team knows the identity of the Insomniac, but the Insomniac shall only know the name of the Godfather.

TheNave, the Godfather
[14:38:08] Nave: oh
[14:38:09] Nave: hmmm
[14:38:20] Nave: now i am contemplating whether to kill mafia to die as a honest man
or kill town and win game
[14:38:28] Nave: let's keep it at that
[14:38:31] xmfcx: no
[14:38:32] Nave: sorry
[14:38:34] xmfcx: no
[14:38:44] xmfcx: i am insomniac
[14:39:02] Nave: but you have been
[14:39:03] Nave: town side
[14:39:04] Nave: for to long
[14:39:06] xmfcx: and?
[14:39:18] Nave: it's funny but
[14:39:22] Nave: well
[14:39:32] Nave: I should be enough so you can communicate with the other guys
[14:40:24] xmfcx: i shared you all the info, to fellow mafia and you are not telling me anything?
[14:40:48] Nave: because you can still betray me
[14:40:51] xmfcx: no, i would lose
[14:40:58] xmfcx: i do anytnhin to win
[14:40:58] Nave: also you did not share your own isnomiac abilitys
[14:41:01] Nave: so I dont know
[14:41:05] Nave: if you revert back somewhen
[14:41:12] xmfcx: no, i will tell all:
[14:41:36] xmfcx: active: insomniac is the only one without an active abilty
[14:41:55] xmfcx: passive: at start of the game, the insomnisac copies the role, abilities and alignment of a random role. The Insomniac does NOT know that he is the Insomniac. Only after the death of the person whose role has been copied he will be notified of being the Insomniac.
[14:42:22] xmfcx: don't ruin the game and let me revert my sides....
[14:43:23] Nave: heh
[14:43:26] Nave: what a troll ability
[14:43:32] xmfcx: really, i tell you all but you tell me none? are you kidding with me?
[14:43:40] Nave: I could have figured ramond included something like this with 17 unique abilities
[14:43:44] Nave: there once was a round
[14:43:47] Nave: with Cop and Mad Cop
[14:43:51] xmfcx: if i wanted to revert, i would not share any sh*t to you
[14:43:53] Nave: none of them knew wether they're mad or not
[14:44:00] Nave: and the mad cop only got reverted results
[14:44:16] Nave: well you know me
[14:44:17] xmfcx: and?
[14:44:21] Nave: I'm super paranoid
[14:44:22] xmfcx: no.
[14:44:38] xmfcx: i shared all, if there was a chance to go back, i would keep being in town
[14:44:44] xmfcx: all of them still trusts me
[14:44:58] xmfcx: i now betrayed them, gave you all intel
[14:45:03] xmfcx: now you tell me all.
[14:45:26] Nave: is it that important, to know them?
[14:45:35] Nave: you can communicate with them by telling me
[14:45:44] xmfcx: i am only angered at the fact that you aren't sharing with me
[14:45:57] xmfcx: as if it would affect the outcome of the game after this point
[14:46:29] xmfcx: and there is no chance of things going wrong, you are still keeping secrets from me
[14:47:11] xmfcx: will you tell me or not?
[14:47:43] xmfcx: according to your answer, i will actually betray the mafia.
[14:47:55] xmfcx: *depending
[14:48:51] xmfcx: ?
[14:49:20] Nave: I'll have to think about it
[14:49:24] xmfcx: now or never
[14:49:34] Nave: the thing is
[14:49:48] Nave: it's way easier for you to betray us when you have all the names
[14:49:54] Nave: than it is when you only know me
[14:50:04] Nave: I accepted to sacrifice myself soon anyways
[14:50:15] xmfcx: thing is, i am mafia and you are not telling me anything.
[14:51:05] Nave: I guess that's the burden of playing with somebody as paranoid as me
[14:51:08] Nave: I'm sorry
[14:51:47] xmfcx: ok, now i know what kind of devil you are. bye bye mafia. mafia will die, sorry.
[14:54:35] Nave: aww really?
[14:54:39] Nave: that's mean man
[14:54:51] xmfcx: no, you tell me all you know or i will betray
[14:55:00] xmfcx: that is how much i value the information
[14:55:13] xmfcx: not getting info from teammate.
[14:55:26] Nave: threatening to betray me is not going to help you recieving any information that would make you betrayal even worse
[14:55:34] Nave: okay
[14:55:39] Nave: I've got a deal
[14:55:43] Nave: I'll tell you everything
[14:55:54] Nave: at the end of this night phase, if you dont do anything fishy
[14:55:54] Nave: alright?
[14:56:14] xmfcx: i was so about to make mafia lose
[14:57:44] xmfcx: you are forcing me to stay alone, using you as proxy to talk other mafias
[14:57:50] xmfcx: no, i don't accept it
[14:57:56] xmfcx: bad godfather. bad.
[14:58:03] Nave: it's only for this night
[14:58:06] xmfcx: no
[14:58:37] xmfcx: will you share all you know with me or not?
[14:58:44] xmfcx: simple yes/no question
[14:58:46] Nave: at the end of this night
[14:58:50] xmfcx: i take that as a no
[14:59:18] Nave: it's a yes
[14:59:33] xmfcx: just to let you know, how i see what's happening is: godfather betraying his own mafias by making all these happen
[14:59:50] xmfcx: there is a chance you 4 will vote for me
[14:59:57] xmfcx: so no, i don't trust you.
[15:00:04] Nave: that's good
[15:00:08] Nave: you should never trust me
[15:00:17] Nave: you actually thought I was a townie at the beginning
[15:00:23] Nave: it's smart not to trust me
[15:00:28] Nave: but betraying is just mean
[15:00:41] xmfcx: i am not betraying, you are.
[15:01:05] xmfcx: the reason i trusted you was i missaw something on irc
[15:01:27] xmfcx: i culd never find the line where you said something like "i don't know any abilities"
[15:01:40] xmfcx: i must have imagined it and based all on that false memory
[15:01:53] xmfcx: so, that is why i trusted you
[15:02:22] xmfcx: but now you are not sharing anything, no, i cant take that insult.
[15:02:48] xmfcx: and for the fact that there is nothing that could go wrong for mafia
[15:02:48] Nave: "@Somin isntead of editing posts, please answer with a regular reply... what do you mean somebody is voting for you as their night action, did you get notified by ramond, if you know abilities of other professions, please share them with us, I still have no idea what most of the professions are capable of"
[15:03:14] xmfcx: oh, i thought you told that in irc and could never find
[15:03:34] xmfcx: now at least i know that my memory is right, I'm not going insane
[15:03:46] Nave: maybe you are shizo in real life?! :o
[15:03:51] Nave: mind... blown...
[15:04:12] xmfcx: still, u not tell me now, i betray the teammates who don't trust me.
[15:04:46] xmfcx: 4 mafias vs 1mafia+110 townies
[15:05:01] xmfcx: i will lose but it's the fault of dogefather
[15:05:11] xmfcx: because doge = gof
[15:05:12] xmfcx: d
[15:06:02] xmfcx: you may see it as betrayal but from my pov, it's the right and morally correct reaction.
[15:45:54] Nave: you sure you want to post that?
[15:46:29] xmfcx: why not? you are not treating me right
[15:46:40] Nave: sigh
[15:46:46] Nave: if that's a threat
[15:46:48] xmfcx: APoc: Wait
How do you know Nave's not mafia and fake PM'ed you?
If you are the real Mentalist, you can still use your ability
Try to use it
[15:46:51] Nave: still wont tell you the names
[15:47:15] xmfcx: pm might be fake, planned by mafia
[15:47:15] Nave: assuming I could fake pm's
[15:47:21] Nave: that's a possibility
[15:47:53] xmfcx: so yeah, i will leave all to town. but i gave you options, and you didn't tell me anything, so this is what you get
[15:48:01] Nave: pff

[TheNave]

I can share my real role if everyone is happy then, it's ability is extremly situational so I can see why Luti gave it away

Ramond told me to remove it
nvm, Ramond said I just have to rephrase them with my own words.

So I'm the Vigilante, town side
My active is that once in the game, I can decide to cancle the day lynch and shoot the Leader instead, I can only use that once per game
My passive is that any checks concerning my role, ability or myselfe wont give any results

Also additional log of what happened after:

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[15:52:52] Nave: this game was fun
[15:52:56] Nave: I got owned really hard there
[15:53:50] xmfcx: you didn't have to. we could win but you tried to make game harder for yourself i guess
[15:54:06] Nave: nono you dont understand
[15:54:08] Nave: I got owned
[15:54:10] Nave: I didn't own myself
[15:54:20] xmfcx: you got owned by who
[15:54:23] Nave: mafia
[15:54:30] xmfcx: explain?
[15:54:43] Nave: they set up the whole fake pm thing
[15:55:09] xmfcx: you had power to deny it. and move me to the right way
[15:55:26] xmfcx: if you were townie, that would be what you'd do
[15:55:27] Nave: I thought I can find out the other mafia members
[15:55:45] Nave: if somebody aproaches me with "I'm mafia and I know you're, too"
[15:55:49] Nave: ofc I'll play along
[15:55:51] xmfcx: no, i would share with you anyway. this is not how you do it
[15:55:53] Nave: to find out the rest
[15:56:08] Nave: no you wouldn't
[15:56:15] Nave: if you say you're mafia and you assume I'm mafia, too
[15:56:21] Nave: and I decline beeing mafia
[15:56:25] Nave: why would you share infos
[15:56:30] Nave: you'd think I'm on the enemy side
[15:56:41] Nave: that was my train of thought atleast
[15:56:42] xmfcx: so you would make me know that i received a fake pm
[15:56:52] Nave: well I didn't know wether it was fake or not
[15:56:55] Nave: I still dont know
[15:56:58] Nave: you might still be mafia
[15:57:03] Nave: or you might have always been mafia
[15:57:04] xmfcx: how do you know you are not godfather
[15:57:07] Nave: just making a fool out of me
[15:57:16] Nave: because I got another role
[15:57:17] Nave: and no pm
[15:57:22] Nave: saying I am shizo
[15:57:23] Nave: lmao
[15:57:24] Nave:
[15:58:09] xmfcx: i really don't care after this point, i cracked.
[15:58:21] xmfcx: only ariel can confirm
[15:58:30] Nave: I can share my role if you want
[15:58:31] xmfcx: and if i hear mentalist  powers
[15:58:38] Nave: at this point
[15:58:42] Nave: it doesnt really matter
[15:58:48] xmfcx: well everyone knows everything, tell if you want

[AmadisLFE]

Anyone have Pop Corn? Because this is too intense, maybe some Pop Corn could help me clear my mind and go towards the one saying the truth .