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(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  How could it be harming towards fetus? Fetus is not living thing. Fetus has no social value. Fetus is nothing really.
A fetus is definitely a living thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions
Whether it has social value is debatable, but it definitely has the potential to have if it were to grow up, which you could consider an investment which has social value.
Being nothing does by no means describe a fetus, in fact it rarely (if ever) applies to anything.

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  Can fetus feel anything? Was it in agony of pain?
Maybe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_p...natal_pain), but probably not.

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  All of you try to attach emotions on fetus and playing on card of empathize.
Whether a fetus has emotions/which it has is not something we really know much about.
I would assume that an embryo in its early stages definitely does not have emotions, but I would also assert that children by the age of one do (based on the fact that my cousin has a one-year-old that definitely seems to exhibit emotions), so at some point a child would have to develop them. Whether it happens before, during or after birth we simply do not know.

If emotions are developed after birth would you consider it acceptable to kill a child before they begin developing (but still after being birth)?
If emotions are developed before birth would you consider it unacceptable to abort a fetus after they have been developed?
If you do not consider empathy a valid reason against murder then what would you consider a valid reason?

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  If it hasn't been borned it has never existed, simple as that. You can't consider it as murder when there is nothing to murder(yet). It's killing *potential* baby which is not murdering.
Most things that exist have never been born. If it does not exist why bother aborting it because it does not exist. You either meant to use another word or you don't know what "exist" means.

Whether abortion is murder is debatable, and it is wholly irrelevant anyway since if abortion is considered legal it would definitely not be murder which is unequivocally illegal.

The real question is what makes it different from murder. If one were to say that a fetus is not a human yet and thus killing it is not murder it raises the question of when it becomes a human. Birth is not a good answer here, since a baby can be born at many different phases (26 weeks is uncommon but it does happen http://www.babycenter.com/0_whats-the-ou...0300031.bc). Maybe there is another reason why it is not wrong and thus not murder (I believe there is), but the question is: What is it?

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  You prevent fetus from being developed, that's all. Having that said isn't that the same as using condom? Think about it. You are preventing baby from being borned. Same as abortion, only abortion is very last resolution.
Many cultures/religions (Catholicism for example) already consider it immoral to use condoms, because they think it interferes with the creation of new life.

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  That's not my list. I didn't invent it. It's international, widely used list in ethics to discern difference between morally relevant case and morally irrelevant.
Source?

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  Obviously, that's the case. Only way to deal with different opinions is to give freedome of choice.(in other words making abortion a valid option)
Gay marriage, religion, changing gender,... people can choose between this things and the same should be with abortion. You don't have to like it, you have freedom of choice to have your personal opinion, but you can't forbid women to abort. Anything optional that doesn't interfere with other living beings, which aborton absolutely is, should be legal.
Like I said before it definitely does interfere with another living being, debatably even of value to society.

(02-01-2016, 08:45 PM)Marko Wrote:  ((I don't see how human should be limited by anything really, especially by human fabrications such are moral and crime. Such a humanish things. There is no crime in nature within animals, bacterias, viruses, plants.. Every option is available.))
I am not entirely sure how to interpret this. Are you saying that you do not think we should care about morals, and that nothing should really be considered a crime.
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Messages In This Thread
Abortion - by LutiChris - 01-25-2016, 11:08 PM
RE: Abortion - by Monolanier - 01-26-2016, 12:05 AM
RE: Abortion - by Marko - 01-26-2016, 08:51 AM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 09:02 AM
RE: Abortion - by T.O.R.N.A.D.O - 01-26-2016, 09:16 AM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 09:54 AM
RE: Abortion - by T.O.R.N.A.D.O - 01-26-2016, 10:21 AM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 10:33 AM
RE: Abortion - by T.O.R.N.A.D.O - 01-26-2016, 11:15 AM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 11:22 AM
RE: Abortion - by LutiChris - 01-26-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Abortion - by STM1993 - 01-26-2016, 12:36 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 01-26-2016, 03:26 PM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 03:14 PM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 01-26-2016, 06:24 PM
RE: Abortion - by Hate - 01-26-2016, 07:54 PM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 06:43 PM
RE: Abortion - by STM1993 - 01-26-2016, 09:26 PM
RE: Abortion - by LutiChris - 01-26-2016, 08:59 PM
RE: Abortion - by Hate - 01-26-2016, 09:33 PM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 09:22 PM
RE: Abortion - by A-Man - 01-26-2016, 09:59 PM
RE: Abortion - by sadbhav - 01-30-2016, 09:16 AM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 01-30-2016, 10:43 AM
RE: Abortion - by Monolanier - 01-30-2016, 08:01 PM
RE: Abortion - by sadbhav - 02-01-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: Abortion - by MnM - 01-30-2016, 08:19 PM
RE: Abortion - by Monolanier - 01-30-2016, 08:21 PM
RE: Abortion - by MnM - 01-30-2016, 08:45 PM
RE: Abortion - by Marko - 01-30-2016, 09:50 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 01-31-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: Abortion - by Marko - 01-31-2016, 06:02 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 01-31-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: Abortion - by Monolanier - 01-31-2016, 11:46 PM
RE: Abortion - by Marko - 02-01-2016, 08:45 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 02-02-2016, 12:06 AM
RE: Abortion - by Gad - 02-04-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: Abortion - by Hate - 02-04-2016, 01:10 PM
RE: Abortion - by Gad - 02-04-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: Abortion - by Som1Lse - 02-04-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: Abortion - by MnM - 02-04-2016, 03:16 PM
RE: Abortion - by YinYin - 02-12-2016, 07:02 PM



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