Classic Mafia - Conclusion!

[Apocalipsis]

@Bamboori
You were good, I still had some doubts before the end of the day.
What made me suspicious of you is that sometimes you acted clueless, but it appeared to me as an act.
Also, you weren't really active, nor completely inactive. It felt like you were "I don't want to post, but if I don't I will look suspicious".

Laughed at the new avatar and title xD

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I will post now, just in case I die.

I reread the whole thread (yet again), I found the following posts interesting:

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Nice I got the role I wanted :3

Isn't Godfather your favourite role?

@Apoc
Depends, I think killing proactive members early is an efficient strategy but it probably comes down to personal preference and who you want to play with... F.e. I wouldn't kill you or ramond first because I want to play with you longer

apoc and ramond called safe!

This would be a good reasons as to why we are still alive.
On the other hand, if we were to die, people would question why they didn't kill you.

so according to nave empirefantasy is the most suspicios one, but is that enough to lynch him?

Contrary to what you may think, I take this as a hint that empirefantasy's citizen.

Mfc got rng checked by the Cop the first night, that was pretty unlucky for him and has nothing to do with playing bad

To be fair though he got really unlucky being checked in the first night and didn't have that many options.

let's see if rhino is lucky again this night and we'll be down to only on mafia soon

Are they publicly defending his partner?

@mfc
Imo in my opinion you should have counter accused Rhino. You should have claimed to be a citizen and bring up the idea of Rhino beeing Mafia accusing you like this to draw out the actual Cop... I think that would have been a better attempt at defending yourself but that's to late now, just as an advice for feature runs if you run into a similar Situation, getting checked first night by the Cop is really unlucky and there is nothing much you can do once that happened... Accepting defeat and actually confirming mafianess yourself is never the solution, even if you come up with a plan to bring down the Cop with you afterwards it will most likely fail after you admited you're Mafia

Seems like he had a good plan in mind, but mfc did otherwise. It seems to me like he's telling him "Why did you accept you were Mafia?".

And PS don't bother wasting your check on me. It will result in Citizen.

Maybe it was reverse psychology, and he wanted to be checked.

having the cop revealed so soon is generally really bad, this way the Doctor is forced to save the Cop each night...
with the Doctor ability wasted on the Cop, mafia can then thin out the citizens by killing random other players
by killing randomly they also have a chance of killing the doctor
doctor will have to consider that possibility and begins to maybe save himself or maybe not

Generally, by randomly killing people the mafia do only have three possible outcomes:
1. Kill a random citizen -> good for mafia
2. Kill the Doctor by chance -> even better for mafia
3. Random citizen they targeted was saved -> that citizen is almost certainly the Doctor -> Doctors identity is good enough for mafia

By targeting the Cop at night they do only have two possible outcomes:
1. Kill Cop because Doc didn't trust him -> really good for mafia
2. Fail the kill and don't get any informations -> really bad for mafia

as you can see, no disadvantages by random killing, also, they'll most likely kill the rather inactive players first as their death will not reveal any informations for the other citizens to analyze

Interesting analysis, considering how the game turned out.

No hate on the doctor, he was probably scared and didn't expect mafia to go for rhino...

still a bummer, not only did we waste a day round by lynching amadis which revealed close to no information whatsoever, but we also lost the cop without a final result for his check this night

that means we lost an entire day-night cycle without gaining any informations whatsoever to narrow down possible mafias...

"Don't worry Doc, you did what I expected you to do".

well, whatever you do, even if you lynch me... this is my SAFELIST! Players on that list are extremly unlikely mafia:
- @empirefantasy
- @Jernemies

This is my, "could have tricked me but most likely innocent aswell"-list
- @Darl
- @Ramond
- @Bamboori

And here my, "most likely two out of those three are mafia"-list:
- @Apocalipsis
- @Simoneon
- @LutiChris

If I were to do this kind of lists and I were mafia, I would definitely put my partner in the second or third list.
The ones in the first list would be the ones we would target, thinking Nave would put his partner there for protection.

@Simoneon
Pretty much meaningless to me, he didn't recieve a check result that night because he died, so his last words are probably just his own opinion and I know that I'm not mafia so atleast I know that they're wrong

I didn't even remember this rule about not getting the checking's result if the Cop dies.
I know he made the rules and sent them to STM, but still.

@Citizens
Don't you guys think it's strange for Rhino to die this night, in my opinion that was a pretty risky move from the mafia considering the chance he was protected was quite high... Before the night ended it seemed that Rhino did show some trust torwards me so Mafia probably thought he'd check one of the two guys (Luti or Somin) I said were most likely mafia... That means atleast one of those must be a Mafia Goon and they were scared he'd actually get the right one, thus leading to such a risky move and actually targeting him that Night
That just confirms it even more for me atleast LutiChris or Simoneon must be mafia, maybe even both

BUT as it stands now I'm not trusted atall so I'll change me vote to TheNave and hope when my Townieness is confirmed postdeath you'll go for those I suggested even though I won't be there to lead you guys anymore

The way he defends himself is quite different from what I would expect from him (I said so right after he posted).

voting bambori. he feels so free and vote so easy

He voted Bamboori even before I did.

following that logic alone does not fit you at all Apoc and makes you even more suspicious now, it's like you're desperately trying to find reasons to kill of citizens, even with zero regard for the actions and statements they made in this game so far... for Amadis it was "a hunch" this time it's "probability" but not the good one, the stupid bullsh*t one, this is just not like you when you're usually on town side

you just moved even higher on my list and made me change my vote to Apocalypsis... at this point I wouldn't care who of my three top suspects to lynch today, but seeing bullsh*t logic like that from you just sealed the deal for me

Unreasonable overreaction. It seems to me like he's angry I voted against Bamboori.

you kidding me right? please look back at how Bamboori voted for mfc without any sign of hesitation... if he was mafia he would atleast waited for some responses of other players before sealing the deal and killing of his own partner

Voting against mfc (or not) at that point, doesn't mean anything. He was confirmed mafia, and he was going to die. Using that excuse to defend Bamboori made no sense to me at the time, and now it looks even more suspicious.

If Apoc turns out to be mafia, our next target should be Empirefantasy.

This quote alone makes me think it's highly unlikely that the mafia pair was Bamboori and Empirefantasy.

@Bamboori
just like Amadis, empirefantasy did miss out some Night-Phases so it's very unlikely for him to be anything other than a citizen

It seems to me that Nave was also quite interested in Night activity, maybe to find Mafias, maybe to find and avoid the Doctor.

Btw, I failed to see the reason why people are voting for Bamboori now in the first place... I mean, okay, apoc searching for another player to kill of other than him is alright, he's getting voted on afterall... but Ramond is just doing his, "IMMA GONNA PRESSURE HIM! HURR DURR! THERE HE REPLIED! HE MUST BE MAFIA! NOW HE DIDN'T REPLY THAT MEANS HE MUST BE MAFIA ASWELL- OH AND NOW HE'S USING COMMON SENSE TO DEFEND HIMSELF! TOTALLY MAFIA!" and darl didn't even give a proper reason other than he feels having apoc around is more usefull than bamboori, but then he actually agreed with me on bambooris non-mafiaish behaviour which is kinda contradictionary to why he still votes on him

oh nice another stupid reason to vote for bamboori... because he thanked a post... what great evidence of him being mafia!

Mother of rage.

@A-Man

[17:07] <Stm93> i am a little annoyed that A-Man is participating even if he's just there to correct people's math, but eh.

This is weak, but if Nave's mafia, he could just inform STM while talking privately, no need for PMs and night activity.
I know Ramond didn't ask for PMs if Mafias informed him privately. Maybe STM can confirm if he does the same.

I didn't quote anything from Jernemies or Darl. What I quoted regarding empirefantasy was possitive for him.
I didn't quote posts about most votings, but Darl, Ramond and empirefantasy voted against Bamboori and made lynching him possible (empirefantasy then changed his vote).

Suspicious players in descending order: Nave > Ramond/Jernemies > Empirefantasy/Darl.

If you're wondering why I put Ramond along with Jernemies, and not along Darl and Empirefantasy, it's because I think he would lynch Bamboori as a last resource, if he were to be his Mafia partner. I don't think Darl and Empirefantasy would do the same, but I'm being subjective here.

I would definitely vote against Nave.