(03-06-2009, 04:36 PM)prince_freeza Wrote: hey guys.
once "yin yin" creatd a char named "frozen" he was supposed to be the fusion of davis and freeze. unfortunatly "yin yin" didnt finish him so i figured (it would be a hame to wast such a good char) i havent heard from "yin yin" for a long time so i tried to finishes some of the chars sprites here is frozen:
(this char was originally created by "yin yin")
modified by me..
There are a couple of mistakes in that information. Anyone who's been around long enough will be able to vouch for what I am about to tell you. (For example, MH, Marshall, and... hmmm.... I think no one else from that time is active now. Marshall would be the best bet for confirming the info I'm about to provide, and check if I've missed anything out.)
Frozen was not created by yinyin. Frozen is a very famous piece of fanart by a chinese user(who went by the username of Steam, and LFE has a recent Bat wallpaper of his) from quite a number of years back, from the ezboard forum days. It was a simple pencil sketch, which started as a series of sketches of the main LF2 heroes, and ended with a pair of sketches, one of Firzen, and one of Steam's original creation; Frozen.
Fast forward a couple of years, to about 1-2 years ago.
Yinyin, adapted the design of Frozen, and made those sprites you found.
Which of course he intended to make into a full character. And that's about the end of the history lesson.
Now, for my 2cents:
At that time, when Yinyin first unveiled his intent to create Frozen, and showed the first sprite. A few of the best spriters then offered to help him sprite Frozen, to speed up the process of creating that character.
Yinyin turned them down.
Yinyin has always been known for having a knack for perfectionism, and he deemed the spriters then not up to scratch for creating those sprites.
Now, I agreed with Yinyin on that point, as did many others. Frozen, if it were ever to be created, ought to be a homage to the original fanart, and that old community.
It deserves nothing less than perfection, to recreate the same awe most of us felt when we first saw those sketches.
And here's where what you're doing irks me.
You've done well with the sprites, a good effort. Were it any other character I would've called it brilliant.
BUT... because its Frozen, it is far from acceptable. The sense of nostalgia compels me to condemn all the minute flaws in your sprites...
If I had a choice, I would definitely have wished you spent your effort on another character. As it is, I am having a hard time trying not to rmb that this exists. But that's just me. I can't deny other people your efforts.
However, I do have a proposal, for a compromise, if you're willing to hear me out.
Since you've already created Frozen, its utterly unreasonable and unthinkable, for anyone to ask you to NOT publish it for the enjoyment of the masses. However, what if, someone were to create a Frozen that's even better to replace the current Frozen? At this point you'll inevitably have to retort, "Better? who's to say what's better? quality is a subjective thing", and I agree. But what if we got someone whom most of us respect, and has the closest ties to the original fanart of Frozen, decide? or better yet, a group of such people?(though the only person I can think of who fits this bill is Marshall.)
We'll turn Frozen into a community project, overseen by said people, to pay the appropriate homage to the character.
Should that happen, if you're creating this Frozen for the sake of the masses, then it should be fine to replace the current frozen with the better one.
[Long story short, I'm challenging you to the task of creating a quality Frozen that will be deemed the official Frozen, with Marshall as a judge and within some reasonable parameters of time to be discussed and decided. All for the sake of my personal sense of nostalgia. A selfish request, to be sure, but a request nonetheless. You are free to deny it. And if you do, and I still have the motivation to work on a Frozen, it will simply be an unofficial battle of Frozens. lol.]
"I may devour the five continents, and swallow the three seas, but a body with neither wings, nor hands, nor feet, is powerless against the sky."
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| sprites | frozen |
My stuff:
| sprites | frozen |
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