Hero Fighter - Portraits

[Monolanier]

It would but MangaD wants to have new ones with different style and also, wouldnt using Insomnium Eye's drawings automaticly be leading to asking for permission ?
But on the other hand, its for HF

[MangaD]

MangaD, I think that you should make contest for drawing facepics

That would be a good idea!
But I don't know how to start a contest here. And it would be nice if the winner received a forum award or something, to make it official I mean. But I don't know who organizes this stuff.


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FIRST OF ALL I think you are to agressive.
In my post I said:

And, yes, it is my opinion, anybody can have his own.

FFS ppl, we are here to discuss - you can agree or not, no need to flame there.
Do I need to put 'imo' in every sentence? Rly cut it out.

Alright Gad, let's chat a bit.

You're always welcome here for that.

First and foremost, you are ridiculing yourself if you call my request "exploitation". I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.
I'm merely asking if there is anyone within the LF2 community who has the skills and the will to do the job. The reward? Maybe helping a game that they like to "sustain" is rewarding enough, as fanart leads to more advertisement which then leads to more players. There are many artists who are looking for new requests actually, I just need to find them. And if they happen to like Hero Fighter, then I've got good chances!

No need to put yourself on fire, it was just a nibble-word-game. Don't take it too personally.

If you don't like Hero Fighter, you shouldn't have opened this thread in the first place. You are just being importunate.

I can not accept with that. Speeches like that... My counter argument - if you like HF that much, you shouldn't have read my comment. That's just funny and unclever.

Hero Fighter is much better than LF2 in terms of Animation, Flexibility and Network Mode. But it is an unfinished game, of course there are many Bugs, Unbalance, and lack of new features to be expected. Worse than this, Marti kinda rushed the game. But if you take a look into v0.1 and then take a look into v0.7, you'll see a big difference and improvement. The game can improve and will improve. The more support it gets, the better chances it has.

I never said that LF2 is better than HF, because LF2 is like 10 years older, so... No way to compare it like that.

1. "0 creative combos avaible." -> You clearly didn't play the game. Go sell your snake oil elsewhere.

I did play this game for hours.
Show me a fascinating combo and I will. The problem is - you can't.IMO everything is cheap-designed in the fighting place.

2. "Graphics look kinda cheap (lf2 had better stuff)" -> Don't even compare, lol. You want to compare sprites with models? O_o Maybe you could say that LF2 has a better style (which I agree), but don't even compare the graphic quality... (though it can improve, that's true).

Ok. Let's say Lf2 has a better style, but is not as advanced like HF. I think we can agree on that.
And models? What are you talking about - the sprites were made in flash technique (probably similiar to my lf2-one) there still can be more soul in them.

3. "characters are boring and predictable" -> Maybe they are, in your hands.

I mean their storyline and they way of beeing in the game. Not the way you play them.

4. "story is simple, stage is annoying and not entertaining" -> This can be discussed, though I don't see why LF2 stages are better...

Because LF2 can be data-changed? Dooh.

5. "Potential betrayed." -> True. Hero Fighter has much more potential that is not put to good use.

At least we agree on something.

About Hero Fighter's popularity, the HF facebook group has 10k members.

Yeah still I ask - no people there to help you enough?

I believe that many people got disappointed at the game...

This especially confirms what I say.

More than that, the official servers were taken down due to Mr. Marti being unable to pay the bills, leaving Network Mode, the core of the game, in a very aggravated state. To put the cherry on the cake, hackers managed to modify Hero Fighter, with the sole purpose of making the premium characters available.
So, yeah, Hero Fighter is facing a crisis. That does not mean the game is s*** and will never become better !

No - this game is dying. Everybody is pissed off and bored of this.
I posted, because I just don't see a reason for doing that. Doing all the faces takes high amount of time, can't you just take the ingame pictures for it?
I don't think the game will continue and that's all. Dead don't rise that easly.

And if somebody didn't get it yet:

And, yes, it is my opinion, anybody can have his own.

@Exg
Good luck with doing that, if you're up to create all faces.
And sorry, I missunderstood you earlier.

Gad, you just came into my thread, which is about Hero Fighter portraits, to speak ill of the game, without making any constructive criticism. You just say the game is bad, without specifying what's wrong with it, like everything's wrong just because. And you discourage people to make something new, for no good reason.

So, you come into my thread, deviate the subject just to state your "opinion" on how bad the game is (apparently in everything), discourage people to do something for the game, and then you say I'm the one being aggressive here...

You didn't have any good reason to intrude in this thread in the first place, you just did it out of your own ego. If you don't like Hero Fighter and are not here to help, stay out of it. How would you feel if I came into your threads about sprites just to say how ancient LF2 is and how worthless your sprites are?

On the other hand, I have good reasons to read your post; it's directly answering me and it is on the thread I started. It would be very impolite if I just ignored you. And I can't just let you get away with it, after insulting the game I cherish. ^^

No - this game is dying. Everybody is pissed off and bored of this.
I posted, because I just don't see a reason for doing that. Doing all the faces takes high amount of time, can't you just take the ingame pictures for it?
I don't think the game will continue and that's all. Dead don't rise that easly.

This is where we diverge the most. Ok, the game is dead atm, you are right. The game has many flaws, you are right again.

Now, LF2 is a game that won't continue, because Marti no longer owns the LF copyrights so I've heard.

But Hero Fighter will continue. Marti did not sell the HF copyrights. The reason HF is on hold is because Marti needs money and is working on more profitable jobs, but once he gets the chance, he'll resume Hero Fighter again.

Yes, I can just take the in-game pictures. But as EXG9 said: " Would you like to see weird guide with over-used sprites? Atleast lets put something new inside it. "

Because LF2 can be data-changed? Dooh.

And this is where we agree the most. ^^ It is truly a pity that HF cannot be changed (unless hacked). I do know how to modify stages, but I cannot share my knowledge with anyone, because it is illegal whatsoever. It would be great if Marti let us modify HF once the game is finished. ^^

Show me a fascinating combo and I will. The problem is - you can't.IMO everything is cheap-designed in the fighting place.

Sure.

Lucas -> http://youtu.be/1VDi5hn1myA
1:00 is my favorite.

Drew -> http://youtu.be/z9Uej0pyyOs
Probably the char with best combos.

Shawn -> http://youtu.be/VpGfaRxJCZI
Spread Shot has many combo combinations.

Jenny -> http://youtu.be/4TsXX8IXAAU
Jenny is also very neat for combos, you gotta practice a bit.

How I play Shawn in Network Mode (sorry for the show off ): http://youtu.be/sF1a6ZGPU3E

Now I could show you more characters, Legge for example has also good combos, Giggs... I hope you get the idea.

Yeah still I ask - no people there to help you enough?

Most of the HF fan base consists of kids. Many of them are spoiled. Some have a little talent for editing sprites, but that's about it. The best of the fans can be found here, or nowhere else.

No time for that nowadays.
No young spriters here - and if there are, they are faaar behind the good ones, where everyone's looking for high quality stuff.
Sad but true - isn't it?

Yeah... Unfortunately LF2 is also dead. And the worst part is that it cannot continue. I do like the LF2 concept and style more than HF's, but considering how primitive the Network Mode is... and the gameplay. I don't see any future for LF2. If only we could get those copyrights from U1 Technology...

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It would but MangaD wants to have new ones with different style and also, wouldnt using Insomnium Eye's drawings automaticly be leading to asking for permission ?
But on the other hand, its for HF

I'm sure Red would let me use IE's pics, he would probably be pleased actually. I'm going to credit the artist on the HF guide program after all.
Somehow I just don't see the IE's pics very fit for this... maybe because the characters have certain positions or expressions that won't make good portraits. Or maybe the style simply differs from Marti's. :\

[Overlord Hunter]

Do you know what would be awesome? If you could tell us what you are planning to do with this guide you are telling us! WHat you will program or what settings there will be! (if you wanna)

[MangaD]

Do you know what would be awesome? If you could tell us what you are planning to do with this guide you are telling us! WHat you will program or what settings there will be! (if you wanna)

Honestly I haven't given much thought to it yet. I'm currently more focused on the HF Room Server modification that I'm making, which I'll resume at July (college exams atm). When I finish the mod, I'll send an e-mail to Marti asking if I can make it public. If I can't, oh well, it was fun to learn some java at least. ^^

Once I finish it, I'll then turn my focus to the guide. I haven't decided on the programming language I'll be using. I'm a bit inclined to java, due to it being more simple and easy to modify by other people, but I'm also interested in learning win32 programming. So far, I have decided to add the special moves, basic moves... for starters. The rest, well, give me ideas. ^^

[Monolanier]

Ok, I see.

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now what I did is : camera >>> photo >>> pc >>> edit contrast >>> color pic with outlines.
also, "fat" outlines because drawing is small

[MangaD]

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Ok, I see.

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now what I did is : camera >>> photo >>> pc >>> edit contrast >>> color pic with outlines.
also, "fat" outlines because drawing is small

Not bad, not bad at all! Actually, Jason is already good enough to be used in the guide! At first it looked kinda weird to see the heads bigger, but after resizing:

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It just fits in perfectly! The style is pretty close to Marti's! And the "bold" outlines, go for it! I personally like it!

Maybe Jason's eyes are a bit displaced and Yaga looks kinda weird right now, dunno how it will look once colored. But in overall, great job!

(PS: You should post it at the HF fb group. ;D)

[Silverthorn]

hackers managed to modify Hero Fighter, with the sole purpose of making the premium characters available.

That was bound to happen, really. Obstruct some features from the majority and people with enough criminal energy and skills will go crack it.

I have only skimmed through the thread so apologies in advance if I fail to recognize things that have been mentioned or explained already.

Regarding the whole debate about HF being dead or alive, this place is quite biased. Quite a few people voted specifically against integrating HFE into LFE. The votes could have plenty of reasons; but I think that most are due to the fact that many just dislike HF in general. Whether it is specific details or the game altogether doesn't matter at this point. What I'm saying is that asking people if they'd like to create portraits just for the sake of adding those into an HF-guide might be too little of motivation for anybody to start working.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if you hosted a contest in the Art-section (aka. this forum). In fact, I'd probably sticky it as well. It just might be that resonance will be fairly low. Hence, no guarantees for a successful outcome.

I appreciate EXG9's (welcome back, btw) efforts in helping you out with no reward whatsoever. Anybody that's willing to contribute is of course welcome to do so. After all, being forced to draw in a totally different style than what one is used to is also some kind of challenge that can be mastered.

Regarding publicity, there were many things that went wrong. Can somebody enlighten me how many users of failcebook regularly check on HFE? Or if HFE actually has new content? Omg, I haven't been there for such a long time

[MangaD]

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hackers managed to modify Hero Fighter, with the sole purpose of making the premium characters available.

That was bound to happen, really. Obstruct some features from the majority and people with enough criminal energy and skills will go crack it.

I have only skimmed through the thread so apologies in advance if I fail to recognize things that have been mentioned or explained already.

Regarding the whole debate about HF being dead or alive, this place is quite biased. Quite a few people voted specifically against integrating HFE into LFE. The votes could have plenty of reasons; but I think that most are due to the fact that many just dislike HF in general. Whether it is specific details or the game altogether doesn't matter at this point. What I'm saying is that asking people if they'd like to create portraits just for the sake of adding those into an HF-guide might be too little of motivation for anybody to start working.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if you hosted a contest in the Art-section (aka. this forum). In fact, I'd probably sticky it as well. It just might be that resonance will be fairly low. Hence, no guarantees for a successful outcome.

I appreciate EXG9's (welcome back, btw) efforts in helping you out with no reward whatsoever. Anybody that's willing to contribute is of course welcome to do so. After all, being forced to draw in a totally different style than what one is used to is also some kind of challenge that can be mastered.

Regarding publicity, there were many things that went wrong. Can somebody enlighten me how many users of failcebook regularly check on HFE? Or if HFE actually has new content? Omg, I haven't been there for such a long time

Hello Blue Phoenix. Thank you for the help. I can understand that some people here at LFE don't like Hero Fighter, it's not a Hero Fighter forum after all. But some people here do like Hero Fighter, and might want to do some fanart for it, if they are given ideas.

"What I'm saying is that asking people if they'd like to create portraits just for the sake of adding those into an HF-guide might be too little of motivation for anybody to start working."

I don't see it that way. I mean, if you check this site: http://hero-fighter-fans.deviantart.com/
You'll see a few of the HF fanart out there. Why did those artists make it? It was not for any particular reason I believe. They made it because they like HF and felt like doing it I guess.

This is the kind of artists that I'm looking for, that will make HF fanart out of their own will. And instead of drawing something random, I request the idea of drawing portraits, if they like.

I just had to explain my reasons for picking this theme, which is the HF-Guide. ^^ And of course I'll give the appropriate credits to the artist, in case I use their artwork. It's not like they will be doing the drawings for me! I'll just happen to "borrow" them.

Thank you very much for supporting a possible contest ! I might host it if I see more people interested, besides EXG9 (I don't even know if he's interested actually. )

About HFE... only like 2 people are active there, I and Overlord Hunter. There are some people that check it regularly, but rarely post anything new.
I did make some breathing gifs that I can later use on the HF-Guide: http://www.herofighter-empire.com/forum/...-5739.html
And I made an executable version out of the browser version, because it can be recorded by Fraps: http://www.herofighter-empire.com/forum/...-5738.html

I will also upload my Room Server Mod there once it is finished, if Marti permits it.
Mod pics: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/h...8910_n.jpg

It has MANY bug fixes, chat commands, ban feature, will add admin feature later, etc, etc.

(Btw, sometimes I can't login to HFE. It says that the password is wrong, but I'm sure that it is right. I even request a new password but it keeps saying the password is wrong. )

[Bamboori]

don't you worry, i will give it my best to make the game enjoyable

also, a while ago when i checked the forum since a longer time, i noticed how much hex coding is actively done now, things like ai scripting for example.
lf2 is indeed super old, but there are still people investing a lot of time and effort into making the game richer in content.

also gad like totally set me up i mean like oh my glob he totally mentioned me right? *grabs popcorn*

[MangaD]

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Gad, you just came into my thread, which is about Hero Fighter portraits, to speak ill of the game, without making any constructive criticism. You just say the game is bad, without specifying what's wrong with it, like everything's wrong just because. And you discourage people to make something new, for no good reason.

For a good reason - waste of time. That's what I think. Also - this occasion is pretty good to write some english sentences - I'm still learning, since english is not my native language.
If anybody else thinks I'm wrong and is intrested he will still make the pics for you, but I just don't see your points very well so I am arguing.

So, you come into my thread, deviate the subject just to state your "opinion" on how bad the game is (apparently in everything), discourage people to do something for the game,

I didn't say that the game is bad in every aspect, but it's not worth so much attention.
And well, I have right for that, get used to in on the internet.

and then you say I'm the one being aggressive here...

Yes, because someone started attacking my person, not the words I said. Saying I may be narrow-minded, etc.
And sorry if you guys felt offended. I didn't mean to harm you.

You didn't have any good reason to intrude in this thread in the first place, you just did it out of your own ego. If you don't like Hero Fighter and are not here to help, stay out of it.

I always can say a word of criticism, if I don't like the idea itself.
I was boosted up by the other, previous post declaiming the bad name of HF.

How would you feel if I came into your threads about sprites just to say how ancient LF2 is and how worthless your sprites are?

That happened a lot of times, but doesn't matter right now.
The fact that matters : Anybody has a right to do this, especially here on internet forums.

On the other hand, I have good reasons to read your post; it's directly answering me and it is on the thread I started. It would be very impolite if I just ignored you. And I can't just let you get away with it, after insulting the game I cherish. ^^

Thanks for having such a nice conversation, even if we have so much different views.

But Hero Fighter will continue. Marti did not sell the HF copyrights. The reason HF is on hold is because Marti needs money and is working on more profitable jobs, but once he gets the chance, he'll resume Hero Fighter again.

Why are you so sure? HF was not profitable - Marti is a very good programmer, so he can go on with something new, more entertaining and something that will make some money.
2 years no updates
" Would you like to see weird guide with over-used sprites? Atleast lets put something new inside it. "

It would be great if Marti let us modify HF once the game is finished.

I'm pretty sure that graphics are hardcoded for now. Using flash technology makes some real facilitations on controlling graphics.
I believe he uses the flash-implemented methods for the character controls, so it's actually not very comfortable for him to make the game editable from the graphic side.
And he used to say that HF stays the way he keeps it, the time we were asking him for the editable version.

Show me a fascinating combo and I will. The problem is - you can't.IMO everything is cheap-designed in the fighting place.

Sure.

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Now I could show you more characters, Legge for example has also good combos, Giggs... I hope you get the idea.

Sorry - that's what I mean. None of these were surprising or effective. Most of them is built on 3 or 4 moves, while in LF people can mix up to 10 moves.
Yeah I know that I'm still comparing HF to LF2 - but that's what I'm talking about - the fighting system went waaay down, instead of making it even more flexible.

Yeah... Unfortunately LF2 is also dead. And the worst part is that it cannot continue. I do like the LF2 concept and style more than HF's, but considering how primitive the Network Mode is... and the gameplay. I don't see any future for LF2. If only we could get those copyrights from U1 Technology...

With Bamboori (who probably, sadly resigned on remaking the engine) or A-man, I'm still hoping for some nice editable remakes or android ports.

Being a waste of time for you does not mean that it is a waste of time for an HF fan... You don't see the point in it because you are not an HF fan, simple as that.

You do have the right to state your opinion, and I have the right to answer. Although, I must say that I did not make this thread in order to discuss how good or bad HF is... As I have said before, you are being importunate.
(Just because you can doesn't mean you should.)

I was not the one who called you narrow-minded or attacked your person though, so yeah, I don't see the reason for you to call me aggressive.

Why are you so sure? HF was not profitable - Marti is a very good programmer, so he can go on with something new, more entertaining and something that will make some money.
2 years no updates

I am sure. LF2 took 10 years to develop. HF took only 5 years so far. Besides, if Marti wanted to stop working on HF, he would have said so, or would've sold the copyrights, which he didn't do. Marti said "Hero Fighter is like a son of mine." after the release of Chickie Bear, and I believe in him. It just takes time because he is working on it alone and needs money to survive, which makes him work on other projects and lose time.

Now, mark my words, HF can improve, HF will improve, and we, the fan base, can make a difference!