Hero Fighter - Portraits

[Monolanier]

MangaD, I think that you should make contest for drawing facepics

[Gad]

but atleast doing something is better than talking

No time for that nowadays.
No young spriters here - and if there are, they are faaar behind the good ones, where everyone's looking for high quality stuff.
Sad but true - isn't it?

[Lauli]

Looking at the current situation it would probably be a good idea to just use the drawings Insomnium Eye did.

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And, yes, it is my opinion, anybody can have his own.

FFS ppl, we are here to discuss

How does stating your opinion automatically forbid others to respond to it? I mean every guy responding to you could've acknowledged your opinion, why are you putting so much stress on it?
You said it yourself; we are here to discuss, not to prevent each other from talking by saying "my opinion" all the time.

[Monolanier]

It would but MangaD wants to have new ones with different style and also, wouldnt using Insomnium Eye's drawings automaticly be leading to asking for permission ?
But on the other hand, its for HF

[MangaD]

MangaD, I think that you should make contest for drawing facepics

That would be a good idea!
But I don't know how to start a contest here. And it would be nice if the winner received a forum award or something, to make it official I mean. But I don't know who organizes this stuff.


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FIRST OF ALL I think you are to agressive.
In my post I said:

And, yes, it is my opinion, anybody can have his own.

FFS ppl, we are here to discuss - you can agree or not, no need to flame there.
Do I need to put 'imo' in every sentence? Rly cut it out.

Alright Gad, let's chat a bit.

You're always welcome here for that.

First and foremost, you are ridiculing yourself if you call my request "exploitation". I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.
I'm merely asking if there is anyone within the LF2 community who has the skills and the will to do the job. The reward? Maybe helping a game that they like to "sustain" is rewarding enough, as fanart leads to more advertisement which then leads to more players. There are many artists who are looking for new requests actually, I just need to find them. And if they happen to like Hero Fighter, then I've got good chances!

No need to put yourself on fire, it was just a nibble-word-game. Don't take it too personally.

If you don't like Hero Fighter, you shouldn't have opened this thread in the first place. You are just being importunate.

I can not accept with that. Speeches like that... My counter argument - if you like HF that much, you shouldn't have read my comment. That's just funny and unclever.

Hero Fighter is much better than LF2 in terms of Animation, Flexibility and Network Mode. But it is an unfinished game, of course there are many Bugs, Unbalance, and lack of new features to be expected. Worse than this, Marti kinda rushed the game. But if you take a look into v0.1 and then take a look into v0.7, you'll see a big difference and improvement. The game can improve and will improve. The more support it gets, the better chances it has.

I never said that LF2 is better than HF, because LF2 is like 10 years older, so... No way to compare it like that.

1. "0 creative combos avaible." -> You clearly didn't play the game. Go sell your snake oil elsewhere.

I did play this game for hours.
Show me a fascinating combo and I will. The problem is - you can't.IMO everything is cheap-designed in the fighting place.

2. "Graphics look kinda cheap (lf2 had better stuff)" -> Don't even compare, lol. You want to compare sprites with models? O_o Maybe you could say that LF2 has a better style (which I agree), but don't even compare the graphic quality... (though it can improve, that's true).

Ok. Let's say Lf2 has a better style, but is not as advanced like HF. I think we can agree on that.
And models? What are you talking about - the sprites were made in flash technique (probably similiar to my lf2-one) there still can be more soul in them.

3. "characters are boring and predictable" -> Maybe they are, in your hands.

I mean their storyline and they way of beeing in the game. Not the way you play them.

4. "story is simple, stage is annoying and not entertaining" -> This can be discussed, though I don't see why LF2 stages are better...

Because LF2 can be data-changed? Dooh.

5. "Potential betrayed." -> True. Hero Fighter has much more potential that is not put to good use.

At least we agree on something.

About Hero Fighter's popularity, the HF facebook group has 10k members.

Yeah still I ask - no people there to help you enough?

I believe that many people got disappointed at the game...

This especially confirms what I say.

More than that, the official servers were taken down due to Mr. Marti being unable to pay the bills, leaving Network Mode, the core of the game, in a very aggravated state. To put the cherry on the cake, hackers managed to modify Hero Fighter, with the sole purpose of making the premium characters available.
So, yeah, Hero Fighter is facing a crisis. That does not mean the game is s*** and will never become better !

No - this game is dying. Everybody is pissed off and bored of this.
I posted, because I just don't see a reason for doing that. Doing all the faces takes high amount of time, can't you just take the ingame pictures for it?
I don't think the game will continue and that's all. Dead don't rise that easly.

And if somebody didn't get it yet:

And, yes, it is my opinion, anybody can have his own.

@Exg
Good luck with doing that, if you're up to create all faces.
And sorry, I missunderstood you earlier.

Gad, you just came into my thread, which is about Hero Fighter portraits, to speak ill of the game, without making any constructive criticism. You just say the game is bad, without specifying what's wrong with it, like everything's wrong just because. And you discourage people to make something new, for no good reason.

So, you come into my thread, deviate the subject just to state your "opinion" on how bad the game is (apparently in everything), discourage people to do something for the game, and then you say I'm the one being aggressive here...

You didn't have any good reason to intrude in this thread in the first place, you just did it out of your own ego. If you don't like Hero Fighter and are not here to help, stay out of it. How would you feel if I came into your threads about sprites just to say how ancient LF2 is and how worthless your sprites are?

On the other hand, I have good reasons to read your post; it's directly answering me and it is on the thread I started. It would be very impolite if I just ignored you. And I can't just let you get away with it, after insulting the game I cherish. ^^

No - this game is dying. Everybody is pissed off and bored of this.
I posted, because I just don't see a reason for doing that. Doing all the faces takes high amount of time, can't you just take the ingame pictures for it?
I don't think the game will continue and that's all. Dead don't rise that easly.

This is where we diverge the most. Ok, the game is dead atm, you are right. The game has many flaws, you are right again.

Now, LF2 is a game that won't continue, because Marti no longer owns the LF copyrights so I've heard.

But Hero Fighter will continue. Marti did not sell the HF copyrights. The reason HF is on hold is because Marti needs money and is working on more profitable jobs, but once he gets the chance, he'll resume Hero Fighter again.

Yes, I can just take the in-game pictures. But as EXG9 said: " Would you like to see weird guide with over-used sprites? Atleast lets put something new inside it. "

Because LF2 can be data-changed? Dooh.

And this is where we agree the most. ^^ It is truly a pity that HF cannot be changed (unless hacked). I do know how to modify stages, but I cannot share my knowledge with anyone, because it is illegal whatsoever. It would be great if Marti let us modify HF once the game is finished. ^^

Show me a fascinating combo and I will. The problem is - you can't.IMO everything is cheap-designed in the fighting place.

Sure.

Lucas -> http://youtu.be/1VDi5hn1myA
1:00 is my favorite.

Drew -> http://youtu.be/z9Uej0pyyOs
Probably the char with best combos.

Shawn -> http://youtu.be/VpGfaRxJCZI
Spread Shot has many combo combinations.

Jenny -> http://youtu.be/4TsXX8IXAAU
Jenny is also very neat for combos, you gotta practice a bit.

How I play Shawn in Network Mode (sorry for the show off ): http://youtu.be/sF1a6ZGPU3E

Now I could show you more characters, Legge for example has also good combos, Giggs... I hope you get the idea.

Yeah still I ask - no people there to help you enough?

Most of the HF fan base consists of kids. Many of them are spoiled. Some have a little talent for editing sprites, but that's about it. The best of the fans can be found here, or nowhere else.

No time for that nowadays.
No young spriters here - and if there are, they are faaar behind the good ones, where everyone's looking for high quality stuff.
Sad but true - isn't it?

Yeah... Unfortunately LF2 is also dead. And the worst part is that it cannot continue. I do like the LF2 concept and style more than HF's, but considering how primitive the Network Mode is... and the gameplay. I don't see any future for LF2. If only we could get those copyrights from U1 Technology...

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It would but MangaD wants to have new ones with different style and also, wouldnt using Insomnium Eye's drawings automaticly be leading to asking for permission ?
But on the other hand, its for HF

I'm sure Red would let me use IE's pics, he would probably be pleased actually. I'm going to credit the artist on the HF guide program after all.
Somehow I just don't see the IE's pics very fit for this... maybe because the characters have certain positions or expressions that won't make good portraits. Or maybe the style simply differs from Marti's. :\

[Overlord Hunter]

Do you know what would be awesome? If you could tell us what you are planning to do with this guide you are telling us! WHat you will program or what settings there will be! (if you wanna)

[MangaD]

Do you know what would be awesome? If you could tell us what you are planning to do with this guide you are telling us! WHat you will program or what settings there will be! (if you wanna)

Honestly I haven't given much thought to it yet. I'm currently more focused on the HF Room Server modification that I'm making, which I'll resume at July (college exams atm). When I finish the mod, I'll send an e-mail to Marti asking if I can make it public. If I can't, oh well, it was fun to learn some java at least. ^^

Once I finish it, I'll then turn my focus to the guide. I haven't decided on the programming language I'll be using. I'm a bit inclined to java, due to it being more simple and easy to modify by other people, but I'm also interested in learning win32 programming. So far, I have decided to add the special moves, basic moves... for starters. The rest, well, give me ideas. ^^

[Monolanier]

Ok, I see.

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now what I did is : camera >>> photo >>> pc >>> edit contrast >>> color pic with outlines.
also, "fat" outlines because drawing is small

[MangaD]

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Ok, I see.

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now what I did is : camera >>> photo >>> pc >>> edit contrast >>> color pic with outlines.
also, "fat" outlines because drawing is small

Not bad, not bad at all! Actually, Jason is already good enough to be used in the guide! At first it looked kinda weird to see the heads bigger, but after resizing:

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It just fits in perfectly! The style is pretty close to Marti's! And the "bold" outlines, go for it! I personally like it!

Maybe Jason's eyes are a bit displaced and Yaga looks kinda weird right now, dunno how it will look once colored. But in overall, great job!

(PS: You should post it at the HF fb group. ;D)

[Silverthorn]

hackers managed to modify Hero Fighter, with the sole purpose of making the premium characters available.

That was bound to happen, really. Obstruct some features from the majority and people with enough criminal energy and skills will go crack it.

I have only skimmed through the thread so apologies in advance if I fail to recognize things that have been mentioned or explained already.

Regarding the whole debate about HF being dead or alive, this place is quite biased. Quite a few people voted specifically against integrating HFE into LFE. The votes could have plenty of reasons; but I think that most are due to the fact that many just dislike HF in general. Whether it is specific details or the game altogether doesn't matter at this point. What I'm saying is that asking people if they'd like to create portraits just for the sake of adding those into an HF-guide might be too little of motivation for anybody to start working.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if you hosted a contest in the Art-section (aka. this forum). In fact, I'd probably sticky it as well. It just might be that resonance will be fairly low. Hence, no guarantees for a successful outcome.

I appreciate EXG9's (welcome back, btw) efforts in helping you out with no reward whatsoever. Anybody that's willing to contribute is of course welcome to do so. After all, being forced to draw in a totally different style than what one is used to is also some kind of challenge that can be mastered.

Regarding publicity, there were many things that went wrong. Can somebody enlighten me how many users of failcebook regularly check on HFE? Or if HFE actually has new content? Omg, I haven't been there for such a long time