RaMafia (round 1 - end)

[Dr. Time]

You're on our watch list anyway Nave

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Luti:
Even if Nave can track down the SK, he has killing powers which might destroy the town side.
Although tracking down the SK is equally important.

Furthermore, if ef turns out to be innocent (if he is lynched), Nave is screwed anyway. That is, IF we get to see the day phase.

Say, we kill ef. He turns out to be either SK, or mafia. (I pretty sure he's anti-town now). So, the only people who can kill are now the SK and Vigi. SK kills townie, Vigi has a higher chance of killing townie (IF he isn't killed by SK first, which would mean we're all screwed). In the lesser chance that he kills the SK, town side wins. No problem.
But if he kills a townie, ratio drops further. 2 people remain, and it'll be obvious who is who then.

That would mean SK wins right? 1 SK, 1 Vigi would mean SK victory, I think? Ariel pls confirm. I was right.

EDIT: MERGED POST ALERT LEL
EDIT 2: So I just read that one townie must be alive for Vigi to win so, SK wins in the above scenario.

[TheNave]

Even if Nave can track down the SK, he has killing powers which might destroy the town side.

You're not actually listening to a dead Mafia, right?

[Dr. Time]

Even if Nave can track down the SK, he has killing powers which might destroy the town side.

You're not actually listening to a dead Mafia, right?

I'm saying that IF you're Mafia.

[empirefantasy]

hey guys, if you are talking about activity i can say that: when night phrase started i was active and i was waiting for day phrase to begin, coz i thought it would last a couple of hours, then after friday night i turned to be offline until sunday night, coz of real live reasons.

Now why i accused jeramies: Well, i believed that nave and apoc are on townie side beacouse of their posts. they look like they are helping finding mafia/sk. while i was in doubt for dr time and jeremies, but mostly for jeremies. Yes as i stated before, i said that i will wait for other opinions, then when nave said "im voting for jeremies", i thought you guys understood that. And i really thought we cought the mafia guy. Now when i accessed here i am noticing that you guys are mentioning EF and NAVE. well maybe coz we voted for ramond, ok it was a mistake, and as i said i was saying that IF YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE I WILL VOTE RAMOND, the NAVE voted him first!!! Second as dr time said "What if Jernemies wasn't a random pick?", those thing are makeing me Nave is the one who is accusing the first and tending more to kill. In other side jeremies didnt provide enough to help us find who is mafia (or sk). I used to be for jeremies but nave is makeing me doubting so much, so not voting for now...



EDIT: well they can be both, one sk the other one mafia. I am deadly sure for that...only if there is a surprise from dr time and then we are screwed, but its a very low chance...

[Apocalipsis]

I temporarily retire my vote, because I would like to hear Jernemies's opinion before deciding.

[Dr. Time]

Hmm. I want to hear what Jernemies has to say as well.
Temporarily removing my vote.

[TheNave]

Another thing to note, Ariel said Most oft the night actions werent sent yet, implying it's probably more than one...
And he said he'll end the night in 8 hours if he doesnt get all the pms... He ended it around 8 hours later and not sooner... Which means one vote could have missed, but two people died so that means it must have been the tracker because we would notice the SK or vig vote... And the only Person that appears to not be checking this thread is jeremies in my opinion...

I'm still thinking EF might be the SK but jeremies as the tracker is another valid possibility

[Jernemies]

I'm not exactly sure what you need my opinion for and for what. Maybe because I've not been talkative, but alright, here goes:

Nave is smart and good at bluffing his way to victory. I wouldn't honestly be surprised if he turned out to be the mafia (propably not SK).
That said, I don't believe anything Lutichris says holds any importance whatsoever. Even though he's dead, he's still mafia, and wins if mafia wins. So anything he says has to be taken with a big truckload of salt. I wouldn't accuse Nave for this day phase, however,

In terms of playing the bluff game, EF isn't that good. DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING IS JUST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT AND HAS TO BE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND COMMON SENSE. Remember he has his fork in killing Ramond, ALTHOUGH one must remember we were voting kinda randomly. Even still, what sticks in the eye is how he instantly jumped on a reason to vote someone, even though he tried to make himself seem reluctant. It was literally his first "meaningful" post in this round, and it could literally be summed up as "GUYS Y U KIL I VOTE FOR RAMDN!" He wasn't trying to convince anyone otherwise, make a good point, or anything, oh no. Also the way he jumped on a fake bandwagon on me, THEN AFTER being confronted about it, comes up with a very very shady reason, which doesn't explain anything.
tl;dr I believe he's the most shady one here.

Apoc and Dr. Time are very vicious voters, however, they have been honest about it. And as it turns out, mafia players (not sk) haven't been very eager to vote, instead preferring to stall. Even if they are our baddies, they aren't in the same team at the very least, so there'd be quite a bit of competition there assuming they are (both) our enemies, which I frankly don't believe at the moment. Their thoughts have been going in similar directions, and I haven't been paying too much attention to them, which is why I have them grouped together here

In short, imo EF is the most likely to be the SK (propably not mafia due to not stalling). However, that's about as far as my train of thought goes right now. I don't really know what would be our follow-up after EF. Nave? Dr. Time? Apoc? The f*** do I know

Opinions on this?

[Dr. Time]

I would've not believed Luti actually, but I remember in one previous Mafia game where I was a Mafia member (remember the Pikachu role?), Luti revealed the Mafia side (Me, Ramond, and one other, I think) after he died. People thought it was a bluff as well, with Ramond trying to cover everything up. But they took a shot with me, I turned out to be the Pikachu. And we lost that game anyway.

So, although I'm not saying that Luti might not be bluffing this time, I'd rather not take any chances.

However, EF is on everyone's list right now anyway. And, as much as the online thing Apoc posted, Nave and EF still stand.
Now that Nave has his theory of EF being anti-town, I think it must be a pretty solid plan, considering that he's ready to face the heat if he's wrong.

I think we should go with EF for this round. Plus, the day phase has gone on long enough.
Final thoughts?

[empirefantasy]

oh come on jeremies, I have never bandwagoned! you are trying to make me guilty. like i stated in my post i said: if you guys want to vote i will vote ramond, a person that was trying to make random accuses which i believed he were mafia, i didnt voted him just like bandwagon. And it was nave who used the same reason to vote for him. Yea i was still thinking that nave would be on townies side. The second case when i voted for you i didnt give explanations in that moment cos i didnt have time. yesterday when i went home and had enough time to talk, i said that i voted for you coz you looked the one who isnt helping us to find who in the hell is mafia and serial. yea you are trying to make me guilty so you can kill me on day round and then kill other guys in night round.