Who has been the best Dcer ever?

[Alblaka]

he can also sprite very nice... (which a lot of other dcers cant do that good)

Amen XD

I would still state TheNave being one of the more/most important DCers. I wouldn't exactly call HEX = cheating...
Breaking LF2's limits is ned for good stuff

Wait, that means all my chars can't be good stuff, as they run without any HEX-stuff.... FUUUUU

[Monolith]

he can also sprite very nice... (which a lot of other dcers cant do that good)

Amen XD

I would still state TheNave being one of the more/most important DCers. I wouldn't exactly call HEX = cheating...
Breaking LF2's limits is ned for good stuff

Wait, that means all my chars can't be good stuff, as they run without any HEX-stuff.... FUUUUU

Albaka,your chars run without any hex-stuff yuck,fuuu...i never ever use your chars(just kidding).hexed things maybe better but if someone hex things,they won't be best Dcer

[Divisor]

Well, don't forget we are talking about Data Changing here...which means someone who manages to solve every problem just with DCing, is a better DCer than one who uses HEX when he hits a dead end.

From this point of view, f.e. Alblaka would be above f.e. Nave.

Not that I want to degrade Nave, who is indeed skilled, but combining DC with HEX would fit more in a special "hybrid" category and not be compared with "pure" DCing.

[Monolith]

Well, don't forget we are talking about Data Changing here...which means someone who manages to solve every problem just with DCing, is a better DCer than one who uses HEX when he hits a dead end.

From this point of view, f.e. Alblaka would be above f.e. Nave.

Not that I want to degrade Nave, who is indeed skilled, but combining DC with HEX would fit more in a special "hybrid" category and not be compared with "pure" DCing.

That was i trying to say or write,hexers not the dcers and they won't be best dcers

[The Lost Global Mod]

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D: marshall you did just kill us, i smell doom coming up. RUUUUUUN!

ok i respect yinyin is your hero .....
I think the extra credit yinyin ....
(which a lot of other dcers cant do that good)

don't worry MH you are still my hero (not because of dc though) :P

From this point of view, f.e. Alblaka would be above f.e. Nave.

wouldn't say so. I am pretty sure Nave can achieve certain stuff with dc only too, its just that he is a damn lazy smartass. So if he knows it will be easier with hex he uses hex. He doesn't see a challenge in just using dc to achieve it. :P


soo what the heck am I even doing here, I know nothing about dc. oh well.

[TheNave]

wouldn't say so. I am pretty sure Nave can achieve certain stuff with dc only too, its just that he is a damn lazy smartass.

that.

just so you know, the first tests of the wall running feature, the platform stuff(*cough*creditsToLauli*cough*), faster mp regeneration, time stop and all the other cool stuff in ntsd II which is done by hex editing, was in fact, done with pure Datachanging at first... we only changed it later because it was kind of messed up/abit buggy/is alooooooot easier and faster to do with hex... but that doesn't mean, I couldn't do it with dc... it's not like I a total dc noob and hex everything which is abit complicated

[Divisor]

Well, I do believe that you are capable of using only DCing without resorting to HEX, but you can't deny the fact that most people around here know you mostly for all the awesome HEX stuff in NTSD and less for the awesome DC stuff in NTSD.
On the other hand, we have DCers who can't/don't want to use HEX.

I was only trying to say that we should differ between DCers + HEXers and only DCers, since the two groups can't be compared.

[Siegvar]

@Marshall:
Ah, tomcwy did Wraith? cool... though I think he released it under a different name?.. since I didn't come across him as "tomcwy" until robotical boards.


Anyway Yinyin's gives a vibe of being a really good all rounder rather than just purely a DCer. His clean and crisp DC skills are made even more impressive when paired with his gameplay design and aesthetic sense. There are alot of people who write alot of clean and crisp code... its really his sense of design that makes it work so "smoothly".
That's what puts him near the top in my books too, like Silva, but when the topic goes like "Who has been the best DCer in history", people tend to focus on the people who innovated rather than polished things.

Anyway Sinow's a good mention, he did refine some interesting techniques to create a Pet system and develop the "button hold charge" method of input I think?


Unfortunately I haven't actually tried anything by Nave so I can't comment much but based on the discussions around the board he strikes me as a really good technical DCer... also his NTSD videos look really impressive too. (Though I would say unlike DCers like Yinyin the implementation he used for alot of the features didn't suit my taste. Platforms, as an implementation... works really really horribly in LF2's framework.)

[Boop]

its really his sense of design that makes it work so "smoothly".

Yes! I was trying to convey those thoughts in my post, but my mind was blanking on the word "design" so I decided to sack the concept from my post.

I think Julio is an awesome example of this. Everything about him is so "smooth", especially the way the AI controls him and such.

[TheNave]

(Platforms, as an implementation... works really really horribly in LF2's framework.)

it actually works very well, I cheated by using hex^^ but yeah, the AI is the only thing that f***** it up... coms act horrible when it comes to those platforms.... but as a player, it's okayish, no bugs atall, you should try it out^^