Mafia

[Bamboori]

^agreed.

[Divisor]

@Apoc
Sounds good enough.

I am the Sheriff, I checked Nave last night and got this

Checking Nave

Nave is not in the Mafia

Now, if we want to proceed with the plan, then Nave must be sacrificed to prove my legitimacy.

[Apocalipsis]

Not so fast. Before killing anyone, we wait to see if someone is stupid courageous enough to say he is the sheriff, and that you're lying.

And in any case, we don't kill Nave. If nodoby contradicts you, then you're the real sheriff and Nave is not mafia. Then we don't want him dead, obviously.

Also, Ramond, using "X is not in the mafia" and not "X is a citizien" kinda of gives the godfather power, curse you. The other times you said he was a normal citizien or the exact role :/

Edit: Btw, I do believe you, I don't remember anyone faking convs in the past. So let's wait to see if a desperate mafia appears.

[Divisor]

What if a Mafia member poses as a Sheriff and contradicts me?

And even we lynch Nave and find out he's innocent, it could also mean that I am a Mafia posing as a Sheriff and just lied about checking a player, since I obviously know who isn't Mafia.

Damn, I have a feeling this is going to end bad for me.

[Apocalipsis]

What if a Mafia member poses as a Sheriff and contradicts me?

And even we lynch Nave and find out he's innocent, it could also mean that I am a Mafia posing as a Sheriff and just lied about checking a player, since I obviously know who isn't Mafia.

Damn, I have a feeling this is going to end bad for me.

Not really. I thought about this carefully. Let's see...

*Real sheriff knows you're usurping his role/desperate mafia is desperate, and he appears here. Then we know there's someone lying.
*We don't kill any of you, and in the night, doctors save both (it may be problematic as doctor must know who to save, I may have to get PMs from them). Thus the real sheriff, whoever he is, won't die.
*I tell both of you to check me, and tell me my role in the next day round. First one to post my real identity is the real sheriff (or the real sheriff is stupid and will die first).
*Mafia gets killed.

It may needs some touchups, as mafia may try to kill me in that case, and I can't be saved by the trapper because he would kill the sheriff, but there's a way around I won't bother to explain. In any case, if someone starts talking we will find mafias soon anyway. Even if I die in the process.

It may get tricky if two other persons appear saying they're sheriffs, but in that case after killing the innocent we have two mafias and game over.

[TheNave]

either way, just don't kill me plox

@apoc's plan
sounds kind of good, a huge disadvantage would be: mafia knows exactly what we're doing in the night rounds, and if they kill a doctor, they have the chance to kill the sheriff with a "normal kill" + "mafia vig kill" combo, 'cuz one doctor only heals one bullethole...
still, it sounds good, I hope it works... but as you said, let's wait for somebody to contradict divisor...

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@Apoc
the sheriff always only checked the side the person is on, not the exact role...
and also, a little reminder, I'll keep the possibility open that You're mafia and trying to get everyone to follow you blindly...
and if something just smells abit suspicious, I'll quit the plan... because doing what a mafia member wants is the worst you could do
that beeing said, I belive you... for now... and got nothing to complain about your plan

though I'm not a fan of the role-pm'ing thing, it kind of ruins the fun, and wasn't it forbidden in some rounds before already?

[Apocalipsis]

sounds kind of good, a huge disadvantage would be: mafia knows exactly what we're doing in the night rounds, and if they kill a doctor, they have the chance to kill the sheriff with a "normal kill" + "mafia vig kill" combo, 'cuz one doctor only heals one bullethole...
still, it sounds good, I hope it works... but as you said, let's wait for somebody to contradict divisor...

True. If we reveal one of the doctors and the one who doesn't get revealed (the one who does not get protected because nobody know who he is) gets killed by mafia, we will have to use trapper and doctor for doctor and sheriff to remain alive/kill a mafia (okay, this must be confusing for the one reading). But that can happen anytime, without using this strategy, because doctors can't autosave. They have small chances of getting that hidden guy, I think.

they have the chance to kill the sheriff with a "normal kill" + "mafia vig kill" combo, 'cuz one doctor only heals one bullethole...

wat

I think (and hope) it doesn't work like that...
When you're saved by doctor (unless he get blocked) you can't die :o

Edit:
This is too risky, I don't do this kind of things when I'm mafia. I always want to remain alive xD

the sheriff always only checked the side the person is on, not the exact role...

This may be troublesome in the future then. But as soon as I find holes in the plan there's new solutions, we just have too much people capable of doing things.

In any case mafia will end up using the mafia vigilante bullet or sacrificing one of them to create some confusion.

[TheNave]

they have the chance to kill the sheriff with a "normal kill" + "mafia vig kill" combo, 'cuz one doctor only heals one bullethole...

wat

I think (and hope) it doesn't work like that...
When you're saved by doctor (unless he get blocked) you can't die :o

not sure how Don does it, but on the ntsd forums we play it like that, if you're double targeted you will die even when saved by a doctor

it's like, mafia enters the room, kills the guy, leaves, doctor comes in, heals him, leaves, mafia vigilante enters again, and finally kills him...

[Divisor]

Ok, everything is fine, at least until this:

*I tell both of you to check me, and tell me my role in the next day round. First one to post my real identity is the real sheriff (or the real sheriff is stupid and will die first).

Let's assume you are a citizen and mark you with "Citizen 1". The real Sheriff is "Sheriff 1" and a Mafia posting as a Sheriff is marked as "Sheriff 2".

Sheriff 2 definitely knows Citizen 1's identity, since mafias know other mafia. So he'll say you're innocent. Then Sheriff 1 checks you, sees that you're innocent and posts this after Sheriff 2.
Ergo: If citizens go by your plan and lynch Sheriff 1, it would be a mistake.

It could easily happen since we can't be here 24/7, so the fake Sheriff could post before the real Sheriff.

[Apocalipsis]

Let's wait for Don to explain it then.

After analyzing how fast Divisor replied, I think he acts alone. Mafia often discuss before doing this kind of risky things... So let's wait a bit, but I think if anyone appears we should kill him first. Then if he's the real sheriff we kill Divisor and have the first mafia (at the cost of the sheriff...).

Edit: I know, I said that because I thought Ramond gave the EXACT role. Not just "citizien side". That won't work anymore, we will have to do something else. This ^.

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Ok, tl; dr version for people who hasn't posted anything yet:
*I proposed the sheriff to reveal himself and get healed by doctors everynight.
*Divisor said he was the sheriff ASAP.
*We wait for anyone else to say something. If someone appears chances of getting a mafia in this round is 50%.
*If nobody contradicts Divisor we accuse normally except Divisor or Nave.