Atheism - ? I agree..

[Whaat]

yeah, that is god. some people simply think he doesn't exist because they nvr saw him. Well then how did u believe in electricity wen u can't c it? how can u believe in electromagnetic radiation wen u can't c it?. well ur answer will probably be: i believe that electricity is here because i can c that light on.

Well totally a no. Electricity can be proven with science, god can not. Same goes to your all other examples.
''Sadly'' god can not be proved to be real with science (or even with common sense in my opinion).

Similarly, I believe in god because i can c how he made this universe, moving perfectly to suit living organism needs; plants feed on sunlight energy and other minerals in this soil, animals feeds on this plant, human feeds on animals, bacteria feeds on human, bacteria decomposes to form meneral in soil again...... and many other systems that I can't count.

Think it like this, if there is unlimited amount of time, anything can happen, as good example grand canyon, it was not made by god, it was made just with time.

Just think about it.. Its not that you can't prove that god is there/ the problem is that you can't prove that god doesn't exist......... prove me wrong!!!.

And this i just what i said. You can't prove that god does exist, but i neither can prove that god does not exist.
You just have to believe that he does not exist

[Apocalipsis]

People, lets think about it. Who created yah? where u created from no where? and how come the universal system moves this perfect?. there must be some thing great behind all this. yeah, that is god.

That depends on your definition of God. If you define god as 'something' responsible of your creation, then there has to be a God (unless you're nihilist and don't believe about your own existence or something). My point is, it doesn't neccesarily has to have a mind, behavior or care about living beings' activities at all. That's pretty much the Pantheism point of view, wich I prefer over any other religion with anthropomorfic deities.

some people simply think he doesn't exist because they nvr saw him. Well then how did u believe in electricity wen u can't c it? how can u believe in electromagnetic radiation wen u can't c it?. well ur answer will probably be: i believe that electricity is here because i can c that light on. And i believe in EMR because i can c the satelite working, and the wireless internet connection there working.

No. I believe in electricity/electromagnetic radiation because there are rational and testable explanations about it. I honestly don't think the same about the kind of God wich "cares" about insignificant beings as humans... and in my opinion, that's a way too anthropocentric way of thinking.

Similarly, I believe in god because i can c how he made this universe, moving perfectly to suit living organism needs; plants feed on sunlight energy and other minerals in this soil, animals feeds on this plant, human feeds on animals, bacteria feeds on human, bacteria decomposes to form meneral in soil again...... and many other systems that I can't count. Just think about it.. Its not that you can't prove that god is there/ the problem is that you can't prove that god doesn't exist......... prove me wrong!!!.

Again, this kind of thinking make me think about Pantheism/Panentheism/Pandeism. I still fail to see the connection between those system interacting and perpetuating their existence with the veridical or testable proofs about the existence of a God with such superfluous behavior and motivations, or behavior and motivations at all.


Still, if you believe in the human-concerned-God, then anything is possible. I'm ok with people who thinks that, but I tend to get annoyed with people trying to inculcate such thinkings into others, specially when they try to use flawed logic to do it. What I mean is, as response to deep questions these people ultimately answer "because I believe that" or "it's like that". Wich is not a good answer to use when trying to convince others... what do you expect the other person to do with that kind of information?
I only discuss about religion when I'm sure the people involved will do their best to analyse, reason or explain what they are talking about => I rarely discuss about religion.

Tl;dr:
Can't properly explain why you think/believe in something? That's legit faith, I respect it... but try to don't discuss too much.
Can properly explain why you think/believe in something? Interesting, tell me more.

[empirefantasy]

Can properly explain why you think/believe in something? Interesting, tell me more.

Yea that's a good idea. Well i am telling that i pray to God and usually things goes well. this is the best reason i believe. I have read bible, i have heard about faith in god etc, but this is the best reason.



@all
so, after death, what do you think will happen?

[Marko pro]

Guys,guys,guys....
God isnt real(where he live, can we touch him,i wanna touch him), he is a symbol of good and perfect.That all.
People try to belive that exict somethings bigger than us.So we can lean on someone in difficult situations.

The natural phenomena are explainable by scientics.One day we will know everythings EVERYTHINGs.Day by day we are smarter...

[empirefantasy]

Guys,guys,guys....
God isnt real(where he live, can we touch him,i wanna touch him), he is a symbol of good and perfect.

So how do you think to touch something that we can't even perceive because of his infinitive power?

The natural phenomena are explainable by scientics.

nope, only some of them. While those which are explained, has been great brain of scientists. Anyways they wouldnt be that smart if god didnt wanted them that smart.

One day we will know everythings EVERYTHINGs.

I hope that day will come as soon as possible, at least before i will die, but this is impossible.[/quote]

Day by day we are smarter...

A correction here, we are having more knowledge.

[Gespenst]

Guys,guys,guys....
God isnt real(where he live, can we touch him,i wanna touch him), he is a symbol of good and perfect.That all.
People try to belive that exict somethings bigger than us.So we can lean on someone in difficult situations.

The natural phenomena are explainable by scientics.One day we will know everythings EVERYTHINGs.Day by day we are smarter...

no, marco, you cant make people think same way as you think.
There is people who believes in god, one side of me believes and other side dont.
Because you cant see or touch it doesnt mean that it do not egzist.
As Empirefantasy already explained.
As for my self, neither iam religious, nor believe in the power of science.
I guess most of you have once said ''oh my god'' for god sake'' or ''thanks science'' ''moddern medicine'' ofcourse, in your own language.

[The Hari]

Can properly explain why you think/believe in something? Interesting, tell me more.

oh yeah, i was waiting for this question.

so, first of all, i'm not athesit, but i also don't believe in this god, in which believe christians. atheist is someone who don't believe in anything, i believe in "something there". who could made all this what surrounds us? and i'm not talking just about Earth, but about all infinite universe. it's impossible to make something from nothing, so from what was creating although first atom. i wonder what was before creating universe, there had to be "nothingness", but also "nothing" is "something"... it's impossible to understand.

okay, but i was to write about this in what i believe. so, i don't what exactly is "god", i just know, "he" is not interested in what is happening here. world is just bad place. if god in which believe christians, would be real, world, or maybe people, wouldn't be such a evil. ofc i'm not talking about all peoples, but true is hard and larger amount of world is just evil, or just stupid. and even if world is such a place, "yours god" shouldn't punish peoples for their behaviour, cause apparently he love all people...

but as i said, not all people are bad, human can be a wonderful creature. can be beautiful, because of his soul. life would be senseless, if we could live only 70-90 years and only on this one earth. i believe after death, we have another incarnation. and not only as human and not only on this earth. as i said universe is infinite, and what about other dimensions, what about completely unknown spacetime? there must be something more.

if you don't understand - just one life for something such a big and sometimes "beautiful" like human soul, is not enough. what? after death soul just goes in the thrash? death is just stopping action of heart, heart isn't anything more than just noraml organ. soul doesn't die with the body. maybe we can even choose, how will be looking our life, "before this life" - something between next incarnation - this place is "the god".

okay, that's all, it's just my opinion, my "faith", if someone also has their own point of view about "this, what awaits us", i'd like to hear it.

[Apocalipsis]

if god in which believe christians, would be real, [...]

You can put pretty much anything after that sentence xD

if you don't understand - just one life for something such a big and sometimes "beautiful" like human soul, is not enough. what? after death soul just goes in the thrash? death is just stopping action of heart, heart isn't anything more than just noraml organ. soul doesn't die with the body. maybe we can even choose, how will be looking our life, "before this life" - something between next incarnation - this place is "the god"

Actually, stopping heart's action doesn't provoque death. I think it just stops the brain from receiving blood and thus it cannot obtain energy from the oxygen dependent-metabolism (unless I'm talking random crap, but I think that's how it works?).

What is soul for you? How and when is it created? Do animals have souls too? If yes, are their souls less valuables than those of humans?

As a personal opinion, if something called soul exists, it's something like energy, not something with behaviour, memories, or any other thing wich we would want to conserve. The last are stored in the brain and once it stops its functions I doubt "you" will go anywhere else.
If it's not like that, then if for some reason a part of my brain gets cut off, I won't lose any memories, my personality won't change, because I still have the same soul?


As you probably guessed by now, I'm quite sceptical about a lot of things, but lately I find the concepts of Idealism and Quantum Immortaly to be quite interesting, specially when trying to find alternatives to the lack of conscience wich comes with death (in my opinion).

Basically, even though we perceive that we are alive right now, and we will have to die somewhen in a undefined amount of time, that's just a concept... we never experience death or perpetual lack of conscience. We are the conscience of the pathway wich haven't experienced death, and never will.
Now you must be thinking "I can stand up, go outside and jump in front of a truck, and I will surely die". But you probably surely won't, atleast not the "you" that is reading this right now. Possibly there are versions of you that did, but they are dead already. Sounds too mindfuck, and I'm not even saying it's veridical, but it's quite interesting, atleast for me.
Did any of you saw the movie The Prestige with Hugh Jackman?

[A-Man]

Souls, Angels, Satan, and many other things we can't c were written in the qura'an. Also god already knows when, where and how ur are going to die. U can't stop death from coming..
Come and meet me at IRC if u really wanna discuss about that.
And whaat:
If I list the proves that god exists, i would fill this whole page with text. U too meet me in IRC of ur interested.
I guess this will turn to be 1(me) versus 1000(you)

[Kashif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muq1BiqSMHc