Atheism - ? I agree..

[dixon]

Who said that suicidal bombing are accepted??. Ur problem is that u always relate these people to us muslim. When a muslim does that, it doesn't mean that every muslim is like that. Its just when a muslim does that it's like nothing compared when non-muslims do that. Seriously, u wanna tell that this has never been don't by a non-muslim?

That was sarcasm. I'm not too sure you realised this, considering your almost fanatical seriousness. In any case, I'd bet any of those explo-laddies thought the same when pulling the trigger, that they are doing the right and good thing. It's all a matter of point of view and I think many accomodate this fact how they find it most beneficial. Nobody will ever persuade me that the very reason why religion exists is not the control over masses.

[Gespenst]

There is one thing why religions cant live peaceful life, they always having problems.
They want to make others believe in other religions god, they do not want to be friends other religion peoples.
The thing is, They want to change opinions.
Now some of you want to change other opinions with Ouran truths or whatever he is.
Just do not argue when other makes theyr opinion, you should listen, but not argue.

[A-Man]

First of all,

There is one thing why religions cant live peaceful life, they always having problems.
They want to make others believe in other religions god, they do not want to be friends other religion peoples.

As a muslim, what problems??. Most of these weird diseases are coming from people who haven't got any rules to control their eating, having fun...etc. And you all know that very well. I have read a lot of story's about these kids who doesn't know his real parents, cuz he was born as a result of fun. How many accidents have happen because of getting drunk?. I have really never witnessed any kind of these problems in my place.
And for your second sentence. I've really been told like thousand times not to get my self in such discussions, and now i understood why.. I wasn't really going to post in this thread if i didn't see what I saw. As xmfcx and i, quoted before:
"Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
I got a whole bunch of non-muslim friends, non-muslim teachers.....etc, and its all going smooth like silk. Religion got nothing to do with that or i wouldn't be registered in this forum right now

The thing is, They want to change opinions.
Now some of you want to change other opinions with Ouran truths or whatever he is.
Just do not argue when other makes theyr opinion, you should listen, but not argue.

Man, this thread has been quite for several time, yet people posted to discuss. And thats what i am doing. I am writing my opinion in here. I never actually wrote "ur religion is wrong" but instead, I always write "my religion is right". That is my opinion so i wrote it!. And when people here write anything about Islam, its obvious that they are expecting me or maybe Kashif to answer. And again, I quote this:
"Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
So this is your decision at the end, its just that u aksed me and i answered.

[Dagger94]

The muslim guy above is right, its a discussion no need to preach here.
Im pretty sure that those discussions come about because Atheism wants to be a religion too, people preach it. A few years ago, there were no debates, arguments or anything regarding Atheism and religion all together, also people preach Atheism these days and not the common folk as much as scientists. That is kind of sad because if you think about it they should be uniting the world, helping the people, finding solution to our current eco problems etc, but instead people like Hawkings go and talk about religion.
Originally religions were given to create control and order by either wise men or insane lunatics
Jewdaism was given to people who had to roam in a desert, so its easy to get the logic with it.
Christianity was given to europe and the near east because the Romans couldnt keep up and there was little order and justice
Islam was given to the then savage arabs because they were uncivilized (no offence to anyone)
Now that we have so called order in the world religion isnt needed hence the high rates of Atheism, once a disaster strikes everyone will be religious again

[The Hari]

The muslim guy above is right, its a discussion no need to preach here.
Im pretty sure that those discussions come about because Atheism wants to be a religion too, people preach it.

lol, how atheism can become a religion? this is complete nonsense. so Kevin started this discussion, becuase he wants create religion? let's make a revolution, everybody will want join to LFE-church, MH Razen on the pope!

and now seriously. here everybody just want to express opinion, say why they don't believe/believe in something. no one trying to proselytize the infidels, or make athesits from believers. but those muslim guys, are offended, because someone said their religion is senseless, and they can't find any counter-arguments, so just writing here more and more quran quotes. a-man, if you don't trying to find new follower of islam, why you have to still repeat this crap? no one offence you, believe in what you want, just god damn, stop with these quran quotes.

[A-Man]

if you don't trying to find new follower of islam, why you have to still repeat this crap? no one offence you, believe in what you want, just god damn, stop with these quran quotes.

I really can't understand whats wrong with u guys and do u have against Qura'an.

believe in what you want, just god damn, stop with these quran quotes.

Wasn't that wat the quote was talking about? I believe in what I want, and u believe in what u want. Thats life in the end, there must be 2 opposite sides. Just when things start to get clear and simple, people start to make it looks more complex by looking for microscopic details that "disproves" it.

[Gespenst]

Gosh. A-man,
kevin wanned to discuss about atheism and you posting quaran quotes.
How its something that kevin want?
See kevin is havent posted for entire one page.
As long i see, you, kashif and other one just posting quaran and how its right. But when other post his right/god in which he believes, you just post quaran and say that your right.
Jeezzz, no offense, neither against quaran, islam or any other religion.

[A-Man]

^ why do u think I quoted qura'an at the first place? Some people wanted me to proof the existence of god, so i did with qura'an. Then again some people wanted me to proof that qura'an is right, so i did by revealing the miracles in the qura'an that shows that older people didn't have any idea about some facts in the past. And now the qura'an is moving along with the modern science and agreeing with the right facts. Then people kept telling that i am trying to get people into Islam by force. So I thought that quoting from the book i follow, Qura'an, would be much effective than saying that i am not. The guy just wanted some advice, we gave it to him, but some of you started to attack our religion,god and our people. And i defended. Wat kind of other reaction do u expect me to come up with? Ignore? Well that is a wise decision, but i just can't watch that and stay quite. Pardon me if this is annoying you. But I think am doing what I think is right..

[Lauli]

Then people kept telling that i am trying to get people into Islam by force. So I thought that quoting from the book i follow, Qura'an, would be much effective than saying that i am not.

How could you possibly think that this action leads to the best outcome?
Really, if people think that you're too convinced of something, you try to prove them wrong by strengthening your position? How does that make sense?

[Silverthorn]

lol, how atheism can become a religion? this is complete nonsense.

Just for the record, Atheists can be just as annoying as any diehard Christian, Muslim, etc. It really makes no difference if somebody screams at you "BELIEVE IN GOD/ALLAH" or "DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING" until you say yes. Dictionary.com describes religion as a "state of life bound by monastic vows"..... you can figure out where this is going.

Whatever, we have gotten to the point where people try to justify that their world-view is THE right one. Which, in this case, is Atheists vs. Muslims. Idk if the Christians, Agnostics, etc. don't want to go into such detail of if they simply don't care. Probably latter. Anyways, just a slight reminder to those that discuss to keep it non-offensive. And by that, I mean it's not okay to say stuff along the lines of "no offense, but your religion is batcrap". Keep that to yourself. You don't have to agree with what people believe in but don't try to make them change sides. That's about as effective as telling a lighthouse to move away because you're an aircraft carrier.


@ES: Darn you, now I have to think about P=NP again