RaMafia Special - The End

[TheNave]

oh I overlooked that second post of ariel, he suggested to let you die aswell and on top of that denied the existence of a trapper role which would have been the only reason to justify his reasoning to not do anything about you...
you're right, I might change my vote then, the only suspected people I have yet are those that tried to convince the doctor not to kill you, so it shouldn't matter if it's ariel or apoc

I'll decide when there are more votes

[Ariel]

Alright I shall speak now,
first of all i understand your suspicions about me.

@A-Man but!
if you are the role you say you are, it wont mean you have more information about others than any of us.
even further, after i saw some of your assumptions i 100% sure your wrong.
i will try to play safe for the sake of civilians and i guess you understood already that i do not believe in your announcements.

just to point that out guys,
it might be a nice strategy for the mafia to tell us one of their names as the targeted player (in order to gain our trust) but in reality only no-votes were taken
(its been a long night dont you think?)

anyway @A-Man , im not gonna argue with you about each other thoughts
i showed my points up there ^ and you are actually at the top of my role active skill list.
hope we both will have another night in order to clarify this situation without making mistakes in the way ^_^

Edit:
leader le me

[Darl]

I'm voting AMan as a leader given that he has basically won anyway.

Regarding the PM thing... yeah, no. I rather see you prevent one or two more deaths. I think we all need confirmation this is not some elaborated ruse from the mafia, and you their spokeperson, given the facts that Mafias CAN target themselves and that, according to Ramond, no role can be presumed to be in either faction. If you waste a few more rounds, I'll give in.

[TheNave]

but in reality only no-votes were taken
(its been a long night dont you think?)

this is bothering me aswell, usually when a non-mafia member is targeted to get day-lynched the other mafia members jump in on that bandwagon... this time, we didn't get a lot of votes at all... so it might be possible that one of us has hit a real mafia member already

[Hellblazer]

Come at me. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[A-Man]

So assuming no plans were involved, the probability I got the right target by chance is 1/17. Ability I get it twice is 1/(17*17) = 1/289 = 0.003 = 0.3% (note it's 0.3%, not 3%) Anyone who denies it after this is officially ignorant in my book, and/or is a mafia.

just to point that out guys,
it might be a nice strategy for the mafia to tell us one of their names as the targeted player (in order to gain our trust) but in reality only no-votes were taken

Allow me to point out also that if that was really a part of a mafia plan, then not only would it have been risky (no doctor helps, mafia lose one of their selves), but would also have been a waste of a turn for the mafia to kill. Rhino.Freak mentioned the possibility of a mafia-aligned necromancer which might have assured a resurrection of myself in case I die. In addition to that being a waste of the ability (considering it can only be used a number of times), since a necromancer would probably resurrect me AFTER I die, it would be useless since my role and all would be revealed before I'm back, resulting in lynching me next phase anyway.

if you are the role you say you are, it wont mean you have more information about others than any of us.

True, but it means people can trust me more than anyone else with their roles. That's why I devised the PM strategy. Sadly, so far, only Jernemies sent me a PM with his role title.

even further, after i saw some of your assumptions i 100% sure your wrong.
i will try to play safe for the sake of civilians and i guess you understood already that i do not believe in your announcements.

What assumptions are you talking about? Please elaborate. I'm still not convinced you were "playing safe" there. I mean, I'd understand if you suggested prerequisites for the doctor (e.g: telling him to not reveal his identity), but what you did was completely denying the legitimacy of my claim and further (technically) asked everyone to ignore me.

[AmadisLFE]

@A-Man
I had a question, Why is Ariel on your suspects list anyway? Can you explain?

[Rhino.Freak]

@AmadisLFE :

http://lf-empire.de/forum/showthread.php...#pid200875
http://lf-empire.de/forum/showthread.php...#pid200893

If you've accused Apocalipsis for simply bringing the possibility of a trapper into existence, which in my opinion was completely fine, and even encouragingly cautious, then I expect the above 2 posts to be more convicting for you.

[Darl]

Tbh, Ariel has a point. There are so many hard clues you can gather without any activity.

[Rhino.Freak]

Can Ramond just announce A-man the leader now and we proceed?