RaMafia (round 1 - end)

[Apocalipsis]

I had to read through a lot of pages. And then backtrack to the beginning of the round...

Warning, long post incoming!

I'm just gonna put some quotes with comments in these spoilers. A lot of stuff that I used to decide who to vote for.

Regarding A-MAN, Rhino, Luti and MangaD (Click to View)

Nice editing Lutichris! Though yes I can make something similar too in like 10 minutes in Paint, just like MangaD just now did :P

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Now the question arises, why would someone want to false accuse someone? Lutichris and A-man seems to have a solid plan going on. MangaD couldn't control himself either.

You guys are a funny bunch.

It's pretty clear Lutichris is mafia (along with A-man probably), he PM-ed A-MAN to set me (or could have been anyone) up to do this. He needs to be lynched.

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With recent information, this Rhino's post makes much more sense now.

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Rhino.Freak:
Sent me a threatening PM. He could've just admitted it was a joke PM, but he made a mistake and started fighting back, framing Luti out of the blue again (pattern?). It becomes clear even before that when Rhino.Freak told Luti to "not be ridiculous" that there is something more to it. It's as if Rhino knows something we don't, OR as if he's a target of some group Rhino belongs to? I know one thing for certain, Rhino and LutiChris ARE NOT of the same group.

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Anyways, whaat do we have here....hmmm i seee youuu... *badumtssss*! Okay Luti, gg wp.. you done fo' good. I bet he IS a mafia already. Just notice that whenever we get him over the trial court, he directly or indirectly tries to escape the sight and immediately brings up other guys' accusations. (Currently this PM ordeal.) No clear answer in my eyes yet.

I don't know, I have since long known this thing about Luti. He just likes to goof around. Though he might be a Mafia.. who knows?. Don't get swayed by others.

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Edit: I really feel I am their next target. I need a doctor 0_0

Explicitly lies about Rhino sending the PM. Claims that he (Rhino) made a mistake when defending himself.
Then, he says that he is certain that "Rhino and LutiChris ARE NOT of the same group". Later, he slightly defends Luti because he's been known to goof around.

The last thing... is definitely suspicious to me. Those kind of messages could be Doctor-bait, to carry him away from real targets.

But again, who knows this can be another trick, we can't be too gullible. :p

Of course, I understand. I might be a mafia too tricking you all somehow into this. I have a feeling I am going to die next round lol.

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Another possible Doctor-bait.

@A-Man
I do like to goof off. if you count a speech an additional 8-something words of gloating then sure i guess? anyways don't defend me, i'm a big boy now! I can take care of myself. Are you trying to make it seem like we're cool buddies? At this point i don't know who sent what or if this whole thing A-Man concocted was even legitimate. I'd understand if anybody wants to suspect all 3 of us because we were goofing off for a couple of pages ...

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The last sentence is something I didn't consider, until now. Sounds too risky, though.

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Also, I did not send you any pm and you know it, but say even if I did.. what does that prove? How does that pm account for anything at all eventhough it's fake lol.

The facts here are: I was accused for nothing.

After A-MAN's plotwist, we know that Rhino is telling the truth again here.

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I like how you immediately noticed the PM was fake. It's as if you knew that Rhino wouldn't PM me such thing in the first place. Which is odd, considering "he PM'ed you" something of the sort, it would be expected of you not to try to find flaws in my screenshot and take it as a reinforcement to your screenshot...

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I thought about this at that time. But my idea was that A-MAN and Rhino were working together to trick the Thug into taking the bullet. When I PMed A-MAN to know if that was the case, he told me to do what I think is right.

@^: What has convinced you I am a mafia?
Rhino.Freak (updated in next page) of course, for the threatening PM.

Also, it's important that we all stay focused on one person so that we don't lose a round lynching no one like it happened in last games. For citizens especially, whom are already in a disadvantage, it gets worse if no one is lynched.

While I agree about no-killing being kind of useless, I'm against full-fledged bandwagon (not sure if that's what you meant with "it's important that we all stay focused on one person").

I'll start from here,

@^: What has convinced you I am a mafia?
Rhino.Freak of course, for the threatening PM.

The point worth discussing is that, I never accused A-man to be a mafia yet, I only accused Lutichris.

A-man looks too stressed on the point to lynch / target / whatever me. Does he really think I'm a mafia even if I did send the message? I don't think it makes sense.
What makes sense is that he seems a bit too persistent on getting me lynched... as if he is assigned to this job. We also see Luti and A-man sort of teaming up in a previous few pages indirectly.
I could be wrong about involvement of Luti in all this but I did not expect the reaction he gave when I accused him, which I think looked suspicious.
Regardless of this, A-man's erratic behaviour of first faking (atleast we both know it) a PM (for which he nicely set up an atmosphere first) and then trying to find faults in MangaD's screenshot almost gives it away.

For the following reasons I vote for A-man.

This was before A-MAN's revelation.

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Whether I am teaming up with Luti or not is something you can't prove, or even suggest. Why would Luti forge a PM for me? And I say all I told about Luti not teaming up with me is right. You sent me a message, and its my only lead to a mafia, so I am simply following it.

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Why couldn't he suggest it? Also, more lies.

All I have said so far is truth (or not intentional lies or false accusations), APART FROM ONE THING. As prince freeza have deduced, Rhino did NOT send the PM. The whole idea was just messing with Rhino. As Rhino concluded, the PM was forged by the help of a skilled asset. However, a threatening PM was really sent to me. With the same content of the fabricated piece. It was sent by none other than, the master mind of all evil, LutiChris. His evil intent was obvious, from the second I felt he mistook me for a thug. In addition to the support he gave me, and the applauds I received from him to my inbox, Luti's morbid intents seem to have manifested themselves in his posts multiple times:

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Let me quote myself from before:

I know one thing for certain, Rhino and LutiChris ARE NOT of the same group.

If you trust me, then you can trust Rhino.Freaky is definitely not a mafia. A citizen, or a thug at most.

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This changed everything. But I don't get it, how do you know for sure that Rhino is not mafia? I mean, you selected Rhino (randomly?) to falsely accuse him of sending a threat PM... how does that make him, for sure, innocent?

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Even though you pulled that list from your a** (Déjà vu), I have to give credit to your voting. @empirefantasy just got 4 votes to be Mayor. How can someone get trusted that much in the 1st day when the town is all divided? My guess is that he is Mafia and got voted by the other Mafia. HOWEVER, he could not be Mafia and have been voted by the real Mafia as a way to put suspicions on him. For this reason, I have more reasons to lynch someone that voted on him than him himself.

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That is bs. Last game guess who suggested the no-lynch? The cop. Guess who found a Mafia on the next night? The cop. The only reason he got killed on that night is because his reasoning during the day was too much cop-sided. I could smell his cop uniform from miles away.

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APART FROM ONE THING. As prince freeza have deduced, Rhino did NOT send the PM.

Wow, you took so long to admit it. So, you suspect me for forging a PM with the intention of discrediting yours, which I did not make clear right away just to see your reactions, but even before you reacted I had already hinted it was a fake. And now I guess you expect me to not suspect you, who forged a PM against a random member and kept it as a lie for a whole day phase?

And now you blame Luti, who you insist to have helped you. "If I'm going down you're going down with me"
I wonder how you and Luti even got in contact in the first place... Oh wait, Luti said:

As stated before i did not send out pm's to anybody. and i especially do not want to this early in the game.

Voting A-Man.

About empirefantasy getting 4 votes, some players said they voted for him so the Mayor election would finally end. I was going to do something like that eventually, just to go on with the game.

Was I the Cop on that game? Sounds familiar xD

Pretty much I agree with everything you said about the PM thingy. Except I don't trust Luti that much, either.

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I am also inclined to believe one of them is Mafia (and much more inclined to A-Man right now). So lynching one of them is a way to find out which one is Mafia and which one is not, right?

And a great way to screw up the civilians chances if these 2 turn out to be citizens.

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Any mistake is a great way to screw up civilians chances. We cannot know for sure that we won't make a mistake. We should aim to get clues, even while we make those mistakes.

I will not be lynching as we need more information from the cop before doing anything.
lynching will only make us lose citizens which will help mafia members. its very unlikely for us to hit a mafia members this early in the game.

At this point anymore accusations about the pm message, i'm just going to ignore. Any cop who is willing can check on my status but that would be a waste of their time.

I don't get it, why don't you accuse A-MAN? He claims you threatened him o.o

Also, it's not very wise to ask the sheriff to show himself so soon...

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And a great way to screw up the civilians chances if these 2 turn out to be citizens.

Then you are the only one to blame for making such stupid moves, making the Mafia a favour for attracting all the attention towards yourself. What need is there to fake a PM and make it look so convincing for so long? And now that you realized your PM was discredited and has little influence, you got afraid and decided not only to admit it was a fake, before someone else did, as also try to put all the blame on Luti.

You can't really blame me for 'getting caught' before making it clear my PM was a fake, since you literally noticed it was fake within 14 minutes after I posted it. Way before I had a chance to see more people's reactions.

So first you attack Rhino with forgery, then you attack me as soon as you noticed something was off, and now you attack Luti. I just received a "threat" PM from mfc, I'm not even going to bother posting the evidence, because:

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I'm sorry A-Man, but even if you are innocent, you are not helping the town, like, at all. So u gtg. :P

True. I have yet to see what good came out of the PM faking, apart from confusion.

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I am convicting Luti for reasons I believe to be viable, and some which has to do with his attitude and complete denial of sending the PM even though it shouldn't harm his case. You're free to vote to lynch me if you think what I did convinces you I'm a mafia.

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That's all there is to my plan. Taking notice of those who side me. As for why put myself in danger, its more fun to play that way.

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I wonder if you were talking about me, or about you, back then:

A person's motive in this game is more likely to not only win this, but to play most by not putting himself in danger. But it's still no fun to just watch. So "playing safely" is what most will play like. If you wanted to play safe, you probably would've wrote "the citizens" or something like that.

What you did is not entirely logical for survival, but something a "daring mafia" would do. "A daring sheriff" might do that too, but there is only 1 sheriff in the entire game so its more risky.

Regarding Amadis (Click to View)

Since amadis is inactive I say we better lynch him. I vote for Amadis to be lynched

I wouldn't do that for now. Amadis was probably away for the whole first night, but it ended really quickly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would expect Ramond to wait some time for special roles' PMs. That's why I see him as a citizen, for now.

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(amadis)
could be checking this topic daily without logging in for all we know, but i'm still not wasting my vote on lynching him, though he will be dealt with later esp if he keep being inactive.

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Quoted for truth.

Regarding mfc (Click to View)

My suspects list:
-Apocalipsis
-MangaD
-Rhino.Freak

Suspects
1) A-Man
2) Rhino-Freak
3) HellBlazer

Nobody suspects a thing.

>Send everyone threat pms
>Nobody gives a s**t

:(

You have my vote for the Most Random Player award xD

I just can't ignore what happened with the threat PM and just vote randomly. I am convinced that, out of the four guys involved in that issue (A-MAN, Rhino, Luti and MangaD), at least one is mafia. I just can't believe that they're all citizens... so I decided to vote for one of them.

If you read my comments in the first spoiler, you probably know that I found a lot of the things that Rhino said, to be true (confirmed by A-MAN's plotwist-post). While I don't say that he's a citizen, I believe he was randomly dragged into this mess, and thus I won't vote against him for now.

Out of the remaining three, everyone is really suspicious. To make it short:
*A-MAN: Lying about Rhino for (imo) no reason. I still don't understand why he did this. I mean, he could have got clues out of threat PM without lying about who sent it.
*MangaD: Faking a PM out of the blue is not something I expected from him. He said that he wanted to discredit A-MAN's screenshot, but why didn't he say so in the same post?
*Luti: Whether he sent the threat PM or not, I see no reason for him to avoid voting against A-MAN. Apart from that, I can't guess why he does what he does... and that bothers me. But if A-MAN turns out to be innocent, that would confirm that Luti did send the threat PM.

I'm gonna vote for the one whose death can give me as much clues as possible. The strongest connections I see right now are: A-MAN and Rhino / A-MAN and LutiChris / Rhino and LutiChris / A-MAN and MangaD.

So I'm voting A-MAN.