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[bashscrazy]

You can't be genetically born fat.
There are even people with thyroid problems where their metabolisms are low that they can't eat a lot or they will get fat quicker but some of them still manage to be at a healthy weight.
Other people use that thyroid issue as an excuse.

And then there are just fat lazy people who don't give 2 sh****.
Genetics don't play a role at all in weight.

It's all about calories in vs calories out.
Some people just burn more naturally through their metabolism and others burn so little.
You have to find your own healthy balance through diet and exercise.

[A-Man]

You can't be genetically born fat.

Diabetes is one of many syndromes which can directly cause obesity and overweight.

There are even people with thyroid problems where their metabolisms are low that they can't eat a lot or they will get fat quicker but some of them still manage to be at a healthy weight.
Other people use that thyroid issue as an excuse.

Some of those do, but other don't. Surely how fast they gain weight differs from a person to another. There is an extent to how far you can go with a diet.

And then there are just fat lazy people who don't give 2 sh****.
Genetics don't play a role at all in weight.

Of course there are. But like I said, it's not possible to recognize those whom are lazy from the ones who are actually having a health problem associated with it.

It's all about calories in vs calories out.

Not quite. And that's because what you said here:

Some people just burn more naturally through their metabolism and others burn so little.

:P
Even if only 1% of the overweight people are actually ill, I'd rather not be discriminating to ensure I am fair with everybody.

[Rhino.Freak]

The percentage of people who actually can't loose any weight at all despite sh**** of effort is like 2%.
Rest are all lazyasses and pass the blame to genetics. It fills me with anger.

I'm a few kgs overweight but I dont pass the blame to anything at all.

[bashscrazy]

It's all about calories in vs calories out.

Not quite. And that's because what you said here:

Some people just burn more naturally through their metabolism and others burn so little.

Calories out is part of metabolism. You burn calories through your basil metabolic rate - aka BMR. If you just lie in bed all day you still burn like ~1200-2000 calories depending on your BMR.

Your body burns through energy to feed itself to allow it to run the way it does. The body works on energy.
Calories out = Metabolism + exercise


And hmm yeah I guess I forgot some things like diabetes. But majority of people that blame genetics don't have a genetic problem.
They just like to put the blame elsewhere rather than themselves.
Also I stick with "you can't be genetically born fat"
You just have genetic dispositions that make it easier to be fat / harder to lose weight

[A-Man]

But majority of people that blame genetics don't have a genetic problem.

Even though. As long as this minority exist- as long as there is the slightest chance one is telling the truth, you lose the right to call him a liar without a base that proves, beyond certainty, that he's lying. Same goes with every judgement you make to anything in life.

Also I stick with "you can't be genetically born fat"
You just have genetic dispositions that make it easier to be fat / harder to lose weight

I know someone who was born, and till this very day is, as rotund as a ball. I am not saying this to disprove your idea of it. But I trust genes play a big role in that, especially that his parent and most of the people in their stem, are very overweight too.

[Memento]

Damn guys why are you so meticulous about that. Im just gonna stick back to lf threads.

Than do that if it pleases you.. I actually think this is a rather interesting, important and highly misunderstood subject.

[Monolanier]

If a guy have a unibrow, is he different?

[Boop]

First of all, 1% would be pretty high for people that geninuely have some health issue relating to their weight. Probably closer to 0.00000001% or something. Out of those people, the underlying medical condition can be treated pretty easily for most of them. There are a few medical issues that really suck. Like there is some weird one where people do not "feel" full regardless of how much they eat. I can imagine that would make losing weight harder...

But at the end of the day, it is like someone said, calories in vs calories out. If someone could create fat from nothing, then we would have solved the energy crisis by using those people as batteries or something(like the matrix). So it may be harder for some people to lose weight, but it is just physically not possible to not be fat without eating. You don't see starving fat people in poor 3rd world countries.

[A-Man]

I should say I didn't see that coming, but that does not change my point as when I said 1%, I assumed that was the lowest it could get. If what you're saying is right then I stand corrected, but I'd still like to know where are you getting your statistics from. Regardless, even that less of number should still make the difference while you're dealing with people for what I said though.

"calories in calories out" is correct as energy is conserved. But, as we're talking about energy now, we know that an efficiency of a 100% is practically impossible. The body needs effective energy to function properly, but the energy in does not equal the effective energy out; one is constantly losing some of this energy as heat, and the rest is latent energy as fats. Now how efficient, or more precisely, how much of the food you take is actually used up for effective energy is what's important. In cases where your body is very inefficient (probably because of a disease), it could become inevitable not to gain lots of fat.

but it is just physically not possible to not be fat without eating

I am not sure you mean what the text suggests you mean here. Please try not to use lots of negatives.

You don't see starving fat people in poor 3rd world countries.

Of course you don't. Because anyone would prefer being fat full over being thin hungry.

This whole thing is making me sound awfully defensive. I am only referring to those who are very sick in regards of the matter.

[STM1993]

Quick google search.

“Thus far mutations in about eight genes are known to cause obesity in humans. But these mutations account for under five percent of the obesity in our society, and certainly are not, by themselves, responsible for the current obesity epidemic, since the mutation rate in these genes could not have changed dramatically during the past twenty years,” says Dr. Joseph Majzoub, the chief of the division of endocrinology at Boston Children’s Hospital and an author on the Science paper. “However, mutations in these genes have led to the discovery of pathways that are important in energy balance in humans, giving us hope that drugs can be developed that affect these pathways to prevent excessive weight gain, either by curbing appetite or increased burning of calories.”

All we're saying is that being obese due to genetic factors is a very small minority and that we should not promote this idea as an excuse. Even the people who DO have genetic factors or disease usually have the diet or medication to manage it. The exceptional cases are what they are - exceptional; outliers. Until proven to be an exception, it is only reasonable to treat something as the norm. And the norm of obesity in this case is due to poor lifestyle rather than genetic factors or disease.

That being said, I don't go around telling fat strangers in their face "STOP BEING A LAZY BUM" because I don't know the individual(we should always distinguish individuals vs groups), I have better things to do, its being mean (and asking for a beating) and positive reinforcement works a lot better anyway. When meeting individuals, it is best to treat each case as a blank with no assumptions until proven otherwise, but its not unfair to use a statistical trend as a frame of reference for a group of people.

People who work to lose weight usually do so not from "I don't want to be ostracized", but from "I want a better body for myself and look better". As a society, I believe we should strongly discourage obesity, but at the same time we shouldn't ostracize obese people, but rather encourage them to do something about it for their own sake.