Atheism - ? I agree..

[A-Man]

I am really getting tired of explaining again and again....

Do you realize that you are not explaining anything at all?
You say that everything in the Quran is truth, because it wasn't edited by humans. Then after considering it's right in essence, you "explain" everything with its words.
But you didn't (and can't) prove that it wasn't edited by humans. How do you know that Muhammad didn't write whatever he wanted to write?
And don't use the argument that it contains propethic and completely innovative knowledge, apart from the fact that it's not an absolute proof, Reaper already gave numerous examples of how to counter it.

Its not only the scientific evidence that proved that qura'an wasn't written by people. There are also a lot of other miracles in the language of the qura'an. Be4 1400 years, Arab where very good at poetry, and when i say very good, I mean very very good. But when the qura'an came, god challenged Arab to write something similar to it, but they couldn't. He challenged them to write a passage which is similar to it, but they couldn't. God even challenged them to write a verse similar to it, but still, a fail..... Some people even said that qura'an was a mixture of writing and magic, and that a human being can never write anything like that.

I don't really mind believers, nor atheists. As long as they keep it to themselves, I am perfectly fine with it; but when they are trying to convince me about why their world-view is superior than mine, they can go look for a different place.

Quoted for truth.

I wouldn't wrote a post if I didn't c this.

Make them fear this bad a** mofo that we call god

This is really offensive in my view........................
Thats why i am talking so much...
Nothing else to say......

Some moderator please close this annoying thread, or even delete it. It really bugs people like me.
Regards............

[Kashif]

yeah and please delete your post exg9 and zort that says non sense about god

[The Hari]

are you guys some kind of religious fanatics? we all want just hear, why you profess islam and how you can prove that your god is real. and you so far didn't say anything smart, just repeats without interruption that in quran writing this and this and yet this... if you don't have any evidences, or own feelings, just this book, what for you believe?

@Apocalipsis: i'll reply for your question, but later (tonight). this can took me some time.

[A-Man]

Ain't nobody trust feelings here..... We got brains to think, every thing gotta have a creator, and the creator of this universe and our creator is what we call god. Further more, holy books were sent to explain more... We can't say that god was "created" because he looks nothing like us. For instance, someone else(the member) programmed a data changer. The data changer got organs (a text editor and a decrypter for the lf2 data). Someone else added in the discription that he created it. But if we ask "if someone else really programmed the data changer, who programmed someone else? and where in this hard disk does he live??". and then we pick the right answer as "well then someone else probably doesn't exist" this is all wrong, because someone else got nothing like the program. His world is different. And this goes same with god. We can c the clues which are the holy books. And we got brains to conclude and understand.........

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Also as Silva mentioned prophets has been smart while writing rules. Example, prophet Muhamed disallowed eating pig's meant. The easy understanding reason was because it is harmful in hot places, like in Arabia.

Why eating pork is forbidden in Islam? >>CLICK<<

Is Quran writing of Mohammad? >>CLICK<<

Sorry for linking everything but i have no time for answering AAAALLLLLLL these things...

Current Torah is corrupted.
Current Bible is corrupted.
Only Quran reached this time without degeneration.

and

Bible is a holy book too written by Allah and sent along with one of his messegers, Jesus (may peace be upon him). People changed it to get their needs. For example, kings who wanted people to obey their rules, edited the book and added their rules over. But for Quran, god sent it along with one of his messengers, and his final one, Mohammed S.A.W(the seal of the prophets) and said that he is gonna save save this book from any change by himself.

for those who doesn't believe in god (Click to View)

People, lets think about it. Who created yah? where u created from no where? and how come the universal system moves this perfect?. there must be some thing great behind all this. yeah, that is god. some people simply think he doesn't exist because they nvr saw him. Well then how did u believe in electricity wen u can't c it? how can u believe in electromagnetic radiation wen u can't c it?. well ur answer will probably be: i believe that electricity is here because i can c that light on. And i believe in EMR because i can c the satelite working, and the wireless internet connection there working. Similarly, I believe in god because i can c how he made this universe, moving perfectly to suit living organism needs; plants feed on sunlight energy and other minerals in this soil, animals feeds on this plant, human feeds on animals, bacteria feeds on human, bacteria decomposes to form meneral in soil again...... and many other systems that I can't count. Just think about it.. Its not that you can't prove that god is there/ the problem is that you can't prove that god doesn't exist......... prove me wrong!!!.

Again, can any moderator please close this thread.......Thanx anyway.

[Gespenst]

Some moderator please close this annoying thread, or even delete it. It really bugs people like me.
Regards............

wait wait wait.
Someone started this thread to have discussion.
But somehow you got discussion and later started to argue little by little. Don't deny it.
This may sound very arrogant, but you shouldn't ask to close it, becasuse you don't like it?
YOu just can ignore this thread. There are some other peoples who want to have discussion.
No one is asking to reply to every post

yeah and please delete your post exg9 ... that says non sense about god

It was about what do i believe in, isnt you writing same thing here

Guys,guys,guys....
God isnt real(where he live, can we touch him,i wanna touch him), he is a symbol of good and perfect.That all.
People try to belive that exict somethings bigger than us.So we can lean on someone in difficult situations.

The natural phenomena are explainable by scientics.One day we will know everythings EVERYTHINGs.Day by day we are smarter...

no, marco, you cant make people think same way as you think.
There is people who believes in god, one side of me believes and other side dont.
Because you cant see or touch it doesnt mean that it do not egzist.
As Empirefantasy already explained.
As for my self, neither iam religious, nor believe in the power of science.
I guess most of you have once said ''oh my god'' for god sake'' or ''thanks science'' ''moddern medicine'' ofcourse, in your own language.

Edit: I don't know if its realy backseat Modderating or not

[mfc]

are you guys some kind of religious fanatics? we all want just hear, why you profess islam and how you can prove that your god is real. and you so far didn't say anything smart, just repeats without interruption that in quran writing this and this and yet this... if you don't have any evidences, or own feelings, just this book, what for you believe?

Anyway...
I am just here to tell u that Islam is the rightest way. "IN MY OPINION"(r u happy now silva?:P)
I'm not gonna try to prove anything since you can always find billions of things, debates written for all these stuff.
Everybody has their own mind so they can search for the best.

(actually matters but)Doesn' matter whether u believe in it or not, a quote from Qur'an (Click to View)

O disbelievers, I do not worship that which you worship, nor do you worship the One whom I worship. And neither I am going to worship that which you have worshipped, nor will you worship the One whom I worship. For you is your faith, and for me, my faith.

Sūrat al-Kāfirūn

Maybe i would go further but since English is not my mother-language, i feel kinda like restricted when i try to write smthng in this language:P

edit: And also "science vs islam" comparison is wrong. Because islam supports the development in science.

[dixon]

Again, can any moderator please close this thread.......Thanx anyway.

Why? Because you have done a '/thread' with some epic quoting which is flawed anyway and maybe even feel superior about it? Are you thinking that there is no possible point of view on grand scheme of things other than your impeccable one?
Closing this thread now would be just downright rude. Communism-like kind of rude.

Besides, just as religion should stop showing belief down out throats, it also is irritating if it happens with nonbelievers the other way around.

[Boop]

are you guys some kind of religious fanatics? we all want just hear, why you profess islam and how you can prove that your god is real. and you so far didn't say anything smart, just repeats without interruption that in quran writing this and this and yet this... if you don't have any evidences, or own feelings, just this book, what for you believe?

Anyway...
I am just here to tell u that Islam is the rightest way.
I'm not gonna try to prove anything since you can always find billions of things, debates written for all these stuff.
Everybody has their own mind so they can search for the best.

(actually matters but)Doesn' matter whether u believe in it or not, a quote from Qur'an (Click to View)

O disbelievers, I do not worship that which you worship, nor do you worship the One whom I worship. And neither I am going to worship that which you have worshipped, nor will you worship the One whom I worship. For you is your faith, and for me, my faith.

Sūrat al-Kāfirūn

Maybe i would go further but since English is not my mother-language, i feel kinda like restricted when i try to write smthng in this language:P

edit: And also "science vs islam" comparison is wrong. Because islam supports the development in science.

No. You are wrong. You cannot say that "Islam is the rightest way". It's not a fact. It is an opinion. There many religions out there, every crazy person believes that his cult is correct every believer believes this his religion is the correct one. There are many religions out there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rel...traditions many of which believe in the same "god" that you do(see Abrahamic religions in that link).

Are you saying that all these people are wrong, and you are right? Also if you look under any religion (including Islam) there are many different schools teaching it each with their own different interpretations of what is written there. So the question isn't only in which religion do you believe, but also in which interpretation? And if people can disagree about interpretation then how can this religion be the most correct one when it's believers can't even agree on a single interpretation of it?

Let's say that hypothetically we are 100% sure there is a god. Now let us assume that this god is the god that Abrahamic religions believe in (so that's a 1/2870 chance according to this link: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gods_..._are_there , and is a very generous estimate since it only starts counting from the point of writing). Now lets assume that the correct religion for that god is Islam (1/2870 * 1/9). Now let's assume that you correct teaching of the Islam is the one you believe in( 1/2870 * 1/9 * 1/8).

The chance of you believing in the right thing is 4.83933411 * 10^-6 . And that's not even taking into account the fact that we aren't 100% certain there is a good, and assumes that right now humans do believe in the right religion if there is one. I also didn't do much research into any of the branches etc, so there are probably way more branches of Islam and more religions etc.

This is not me saying that you are wrong, just that you cannot claim that islam is the right religion.

[mfc]

Let's say that hypothetically we are 100% sure there is a god. Now let us assume that this god is the god that Abrahamic religions believe in (so that's a 1/2870 chance according to this link: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gods_..._are_there , and is a very generous estimate since it only starts counting from the point of writing). Now lets assume that the correct religion for that god is Islam (1/2870 * 1/9). Now let's assume that you correct teaching of the Islam is the one you believe in( 1/2870 * 1/9 * 1/8).

The chance of you believing in the right thing is 4.83933411 * 10^-6 . And that's not even taking into account the fact that we aren't 100% certain there is a good, and assumes that right now humans do believe in the right religion if there is one. I also didn't do much research into any of the branches etc, so there are probably way more branches of Islam and more religions etc.

Everytime i see this calculation i just feel like this:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Polytheism:

Greek: Zeus, Hermes, Hades, Hera, Aphrodite, etc...
Roman: Iuppiter, Mors, Terra, etc...
Norse: Odin, Thor, Loki, Njordr, etc...
Hindu: Krishna, Vishnu, Kali, Ishvara, etc...
Chinese Folk (Simple): Shangdi, Mazu, Shou Xing, Tu Di Gong, etc...
Shinto (Japanese): Izanagi-no-Mikoto, Izanami-no-Mikoto, etc...
Celtic: Cernunnos, Damona, Epona, etc...
Egyptian: Ra, Isis, Anubis, Osiris, etc...
Summerian: An, Ki, Enlil, Enki, etc...
Babylonian: Sin, Marduk, Ishtar, Nabu, etc...
Persian: Simurgh, Rostam, Gaokerena, etc...
Aboriginal: Bunyip, Kurreah, Mutjinga, etc...

Now tell me how many believers do they have?(except chinese and hindu ones)

Now let's assume that you correct teaching of the Islam is the one you believe in(...* 1/8).

U cannot add dat 1/8 because they all are same at the core.

I don't know where that 1/9 came from

It will still look silly but maybe your calculation should be like this:

and add more like 6 (if its too neccessary)

=1/10



btw i edited my previous post

[Boop]

1/9 comes from there being 9 religions that all believe in the same god. All Abrahamic religions believe in the same god. So assuming the god is the correct one, there are 9 religions believing it, so the chance of your religion being the right on is * 1/9.

Also it doesn't matter if people don't believe in these gods any more, what makes your god more valid than their god? Proving or disproving either of their existences is impossible. Just because more or less people believe in a religion, doesn't make it more or less likely to be true. People are idiots and will believe anything.

Now even if, it's a 1/10 chance being right. That's still STUPIDLY LOW!