RaMafia (round 1 - end)

[prince_freeza]

i did say i was busy but i am keeping up with the discussion and reading what you guys post, i just choose not to post unless i have something solid to say unless you want me to also start with the random accusations.

i vote Ramond, first turns attention towards MangaD after apoc's death then out of no where goes to accuse Simon.. i feel like hes trying to turn other peoples focus off him

[Hellblazer]

@AmadisLFE- I already told that im having exams so i cant be online much. Why is that so hard to understand....

[Ramond]

first turns attention towards MangaD after apoc's death then out of no where goes to accuse Simon.. i feel like hes trying to turn other peoples focus off him

Just a second there, isn't blatant random accusing just the way to turn people's focus on oneself?

[AmadisLFE]

@AmadisLFE- I already told that im having exams so i cant be online much. Why is that so hard to understand....

+ You have not been helpful at all.

[MangaD]

And you have not answered my question. Why did you give hints on who the cop was? It is not usual for townies to worry about the cop identity.

[AmadisLFE]

And you have not answered my question. Why did you give hints on who the cop was? It is not usual for townies to worry about the cop identity.

I was thinking that "Some idiot won't come in acting like the Cop" so that the Doc could heal the Real Cop, which is Apoc, and apparently, it didn't succeed because Hellblazer came in and fooled everyone of us into thinking he was the Cop.

[Jernemies]

Took a slightly longer glance at some pages back, and now I'll quickly spill my thoughts, hopefully in a reasonably well-constructed manner.

In some depth:
Hellasdasfwhateverguy. All he's done is come online to post "AMADIS, TRUST MEH KNO SUMT SPESHL!", which DID indicate him being the cop he WAS NOT in any way. His biggest sin isn't not helping, since that can happen to anyone. No, he actively confused the citizens with a random accusation hidden in a fake clue, and didn't bother to elaborate, though he evidently has been online. Even a short explanation would have made him that much less suspicious.
Really, the thing went post->debate,accusations->no response->no-kill. I bet the mafia chat went along the lines of "Godddamn it Hellazer! Now lay down, we'll try to fix this sh*t!" "YES! we got a no-kill!"
Amadis dying would have put pressure on Helblazer, which, while not necessarily a game-killer, would have been a setback for the mafia. That is a mistake I made (not voicing an opinion against no-kill) though in my defense I've been extremely tired and going for the past week, e.g. I spent my weekend on a camping trip. All in all, I think Hellblazer is the most suspicious one here, and I want him to say something, even if it isn't lengthy.
TL;DR: He's acting so suspect it's almost surreal. If he isn't mafia, he's acting extremely stupid, and either way isn't a big loss.

What was the reasoning behind Amadis' statistics? He focused on pointing out the cop and the doc, succeeding in the former. The percentages seem random, considering the only absolute numbers we'll be getting is from the host. Even a newbie can figure out that exposing the cop to the mafia is BAD.
However, I don't think the mafia actually acted on the statistic he posted. Instead, I think it's a possibility that someone from mafia figured Apoc out, Amadis (in this scenario, a mafioso) posted the statistics to lure an action from him, and they got him somehow. Amadis has the newbie-card, which a veteran player could abuse, like in this case his explanation is "wanting doc to save cop".
Acting as a cop isn't a thing, because if it doesn't get called out on the spot, it succeeds only if the real cop is inactive. Killing mafia has so much more impact on the game than killing a cop, since a dead mafia is a gold-mine for clues, while killing the cop only hinders some citizen-strategies, i.e. posing as the cop isn't a good idea in 9/10 cases. It's funny Hellball decided to do that, since it's such an awfully bad idea this early in the game. I don't know what could have been the cue the mafia would have been expecting (I didn't go FAR far back), but anyway, let's pretend I paid some attention. It COULD be that Amadis just didn't consider that, but even then, the end goal for the citizens is exposing->killing the mafia, NOT our win-cards.

Simon said "mafia is smart". Who ever says that? Not the innocent, that's for sure ":----D" Not serious, in case any of you is an idiot.


I'll post more about my views on the rest of you guys on a later date, but there's a f***** of material to chew through. I simply won't do that now. If there is something you absolutely want me to express my opinion on, asking it would help me a great deal. This isn't sound logic, but as I said, there's too much discussion to quickly make anything remotely logical from.

I also want Hellblazr to say something, anything to elaborate. It's a challenge and threat in the same package.
Hellblazer, be my vote for now

[TheNave]

If he isn't mafia, he's acting extremely stupid

this is my biggest fear... I don't mind lynching him right now, but if he actually turns out to be town-side, then how the f***ing f*** can somebody be that stupid and mess up everything with a single bullsh*t post it's like having a fourth mafia to fight against

but yeah, if you guys insist I can change my vote to hellblazer, even if he has a town-role, he's just helping mafia anyway, so lynching him would be a win-win situation... but then again it might have just been another wasted round and I'd also like to lynch somebody active that has been in discussions alot because we can get most clues out of those

[MangaD]

I'd also like to lynch somebody active that has been in discussions alot because we can get most clues out of those

Not necessarily. If you were Mafia for example, I really wouldn't know who your partners are, and the only ones that come to my mind are Hellblazer and EF, just because they voted on the same person that you did on the first day. But then again, that could be just a coincidence, not something that I would solely base my vote on.

And the same way, if I were Mafia, you would suspect Ramond and AmadisLFE, as someone already said, but only because Apocalipsis also suspected Ramond, and because I "defended" AmadisLFE (as I said before, my intention was not defending him). So, besides baseless intuition, we got nothing.

And nothing guarantees that the most active players are the Mafia anyway. In fact, not contributing to the game and causing turmoil amongst innocent players, like Hellblazer did, sounds like Mafia to me. I think that getting rid of Hellblazera will be the best move now because, as you said, whether or not he is Mafia, he surely is an hindrance to us. Moreover, if he ends up being Mafia, I guess it is safe to assume that AmadisLFE probably is not.

[AmadisLFE]

Unvoting Lutichris , if you all really insist on killing Hellblazer, I will vote him, But just to note, it was not my idea, Vote Hellblazer.