RaMafia (round 1 - end)

[mfc]

Dear people. Please do not get confused. I know It is hard on everyone talking complicated matters. Don't listen to them. Instead, follow my words and teachings.

I will lead you to a world of rainbows and unicorns. Do not hesitate lynching A-Man. God showed me that he is truly among the dark ones. He must have committed a big sin. And thus must be punished rightfully. Close your eyes and listen your heart. You know it to be true. A-men.

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[MangaD]

*MangaD: Faking a PM out of the blue is not something I expected from him. He said that he wanted to discredit A-MAN's screenshot, but why didn't he say so in the same post?

Yeah I understand. Though you might notice that I made Rhino's PM look like a troll and not really a threat PM. Even Rhino found this funny and clearly discredited my PM, he did not even accuse me (he only accused Luti and A-Man) even though he knew the PM was fake.

Initially I didn't know whether A-Man's screenshot was a fake or not, but after Rhino's reply I got less suspicious of him and came up with the 3rd option - him being set up. I did not reveal the PM was fake right away because I wanted to see A-Man's reaction, though I did a mistake in the screenshot and his reaction was not what I expected.

Though his reaction kinda backfired on him, because he tried to find flaws, as if he knew the PM had to be a fake.

If you still are not convinced, that's ok, I would suspect me too if I were in your position (assuming you are not Mafia).

As I've mentioned we, even though we could afford to lose a townie just to know if he is one its best not to. Even though he caused quite a stir and we were there to take the bait i don't see why we should lynch anyone this first round. a little over 50% chance that he's innocent. Since everyone is so inclined to lynch their way I would draw attention to those that follow the herd.

Why would he bait himself in the first place? Why is he so sure that you are Mafia when everyone else is confused? Divine inspiration? Amen.

He even appealed everyone to lynch someone the 1st round, unlike you are doing. Normally, I would go with no-kill, but he's way too suspicious right now.

You say you'd draw attention to those that follow the herd, say that after we know his true identity. Right now, the way I see it, you could very well be his teammate and are trying to protect him. He could just be accusing you in order to lift suspicions from you, should he go down this day.

[A-Man]

Even Rhino found this funny and clearly discredited my PM, he did not even accuse me (he only accused Luti and A-Man) even though he knew the PM was fake.

I am afraid he took it seriously. Calling your forged screenshot pitiful and funny does not even remotely mean you intended it to look that way. Calling it what he called it was the form of accusation he used. To further support the fact that he took you seriously, you can see that he thanked my post where I caught you.

Initially I didn't know whether A-Man's screenshot was a fake or not, but after Rhino's reply I got less suspicious of him and came up with the 3rd option - him being set up. I did not reveal the PM was fake right away because I wanted to see A-Man's reaction, though I did a mistake in the screenshot and his reaction was not what I expected.

Though his reaction kinda backfired on him, because he tried to find flaws, as if he knew the PM had to be a fake.

The only one it backfired on was you :P. I always knew my screenshot was a fake, and so was yours.

Why would he bait himself in the first place? Why is he so sure that you are Mafia when everyone else is confused? Divine inspiration? Amen.

He even appealed everyone to lynch someone the 1st round, unlike you are doing. Normally, I would go with no-kill, but he's way too suspicious right now.

You say you'd draw attention to those that follow the herd, say that after we know his true identity. Right now, the way I see it, you could very well be his teammate and are trying to protect him. He could just be accusing you in order to lift suspicions from you, should he go down this day.

Whether LutiChris is a mafia or not I can't be very sure about. What I am 100% sure about though is that he sent me that threatening PM, with nothing but denial after it for no reason. How you interpret that is up to you, and to me it does make him a suspect in my eyes.

[Apocalipsis]

I don't see why I have to vote on him when everyone else is pretty much gonna go and gang up on him. I don't hold grievances when people accuse me. A-Man will for suuure since i sent him that pm lol... just kidding i didn't actually hahaha.

Anyways Sheriff can continue their investigation and tell us later on mid-game. Telling us he's the Sheriff obviously this early in the game will not do us and him any good. I just wanted him (whoever he is) to know that this is an option available to him and i'm alright if he feels inclined to probe in my direction. Even though i think its a waste of time thats only because i know i'm a villager and some people still suspect me endangering the rest of the group. So with that in mind, i could care less if he does an investigation on me just to show everyone my innocence.

Fair enough.

Apart from that, I can't guess why he does what he does... and that bothers me.

This isn't something new. If you find my actions to be unpredictable then i would understand why this would bother anyone. All of us like to see patterns so its easier for us to figure out whats going on. However, we're not the same person we were 10 hours ago, 10 months ago, and 10 years ago. Most of us should evolve our tactics and change our way of handling situations based on our previous engagements with other users, and receiving new roles that we get. I dunno, maybe since i'm human i'm bound to have many flaws that i sometimes don't pick up on or if i do wouldn't understand anyways. Maybe since we don't approach it the same way maybe... thats whats really bothering you?

Just to make it clear, when I said "it bothers me", I meant that I find it hard to find plausible reasons to explain your acts, so that alone makes you more "dangerous" to me, even though you may be innocent. I didn't meant to offend you or anything.

Then again, if everyone would act like I want, the game would be boring. I'm merely stating that your role in this game is specially diffuse to me.

Carry on if you must but i did not send him a pm, and it wouldn't have mattered anyways. There's no point in bringing up a message when it was faked all along. Even mfc was ignored when he did that. Wonder why no one took him seriously anyways that's beside the point. A-Man wanted to draw attention to himself. I am still unclear as to why, even after he accused me i'm reluctant to vote for him. I am on the fence about him being either mafia or townie. As I've mentioned we, even though we could afford to lose a townie just to know if he is one its best not to. Even though he caused quite a stir and we were there to take the bait i don't see why we should lynch anyone this first round. a little over 50% chance that he's innocent. Since everyone is so inclined to lynch their way I would draw attention to those that follow the herd.

I know you said it's beside the point, but I didn't take mfc seriously because:
1. He was the one that made it public.
2. He did it after someone else did it and it became public.
3. He threatened a lot of players, and a lot of players are harder to control than just one.
4. The whole thing made me laugh. And I bet that is why he did it.

And you believe him [A-MAN] of all people? He's acting in this manner because he couldn't get his way and furthermore wants to drag me and you [Rhino] with him. None of the screenshots worked to his favor, and because you acted appropriately you've been given the slip by a few members such as apoc.

I have given him the slip because I concluded that he got into this out of a random decision. Maybe the result of that random decision was a mafia, but to kill based on that asumption, is to take a shot in the dark.

@Apocalipsis: Yay, someone noticed. I think with this, it becomes obvious that I've been going for Luti all along. My words, apart from the part where I falsely accused Rhino of sending the PM, were never precise. When I said that "Rhino and Luti aren't of the same team", while in the shallow context does indict Rhino of being a Mafia, indicts LutiChris himself when things come to light. I've intentionally tried to push Luti, in this thread and outside the thread, into admitting it, but he wouldn't. Lying deliberately and sticking to it with no reason does indeed make one suspicious. It makes him suspicious when you consider he's a mafia because telling the truth at this point might be giving in his life and even having everyone who supported him be considered potential suspects later on.

It's clear I could've lived this round if I stayed quiet, but in case LutiChris turned out to be really a mafia, and while Rhino was still on the hook, knowing that he was on my radar, he would've killed me to keep the convenient situation as it is.

This would make sense, if you're innocent. And that's why I feel like we have to lynch either you or Luti to get some useful facts. As to why you and not him, it seems to me that you're in the center of this issue, and your role will also help me to figure out Rhino and MangaD's involvement.

As for why I picked Rhino of all people (though I gotta say I was so close from choosing you), then here are my reasons:
-I considered it a test to check whether Rhino is a mafia or not (and he's not. His reaction was honest and very straight forward to be a mafia).
-I knew he was going to fight back, and that he was going to cause the stir; perfect time for people to slip and give us more info on everyone's positions.
-I wanted to see and study Luti's reaction.

I understand those reasons, but they apply to almost every other player (except the ones that don't fight back).
But were there any reasons to specifically accuse Rhino? Why not Hellblazer or empirefantasy, for example?

You may say what I started only resulted in a hodgepodge, but I am sure it's revealed very important leads as well which civilians may benefit from during the game.

It will reveal important leads, if we get to know your role (or Luti's/MangaD's/Rhino's) from Ramond.

Yeah I understand. Though you might notice that I made Rhino's PM look like a troll and not really a threat PM. Even Rhino found this funny and clearly discredited my PM, he did not even accuse me (he only accused Luti and A-Man) even though he knew the PM was fake.

Initially I didn't know whether A-Man's screenshot was a fake or not, but after Rhino's reply I got less suspicious of him and came up with the 3rd option - him being set up. I did not reveal the PM was fake right away because I wanted to see A-Man's reaction, though I did a mistake in the screenshot and his reaction was not what I expected.

Though his reaction kinda backfired on him, because he tried to find flaws, as if he knew the PM had to be a fake.

If you still are not convinced, that's ok, I would suspect me too if I were in your position (assuming you are not Mafia).

I'm not convinced about you being citizen/mafia. I just said that you did something that I wasn't expecting from you (you appear to be more logical/careful to me). Like someone said in the thread, nothing is certain, except from Ramond's information (most times). I only collect suspicions and act accordingly.



Alexander Anderson FTW.

[LutiChris]

Yeah, okay i see... it's not funny because i'm a suspect.

I meant that I find it hard to find plausible reasons to explain your acts, so that alone makes you more "dangerous" to me, even though you may be innocent. I didn't meant to offend you or anything.

You didn't offend me no worries. I acted in the way i did because I didn't believe A-Man to be a threat at the time when i probably should have as strange as that sounds. I sympathized with his getting-into-trouble behavior because i too fooled around. Only stm and ramond know about this (and you can confirm this with them) that i created @Myself as soon as empirefantasy was going to vote for myself. It was very immature and soon afterwards was ip banned. I had to use proxy servers to view lfe and encountered loads of annoying problems with the format, some images didn't load properly and spoilers refused to open. I really regret that. Now as i'm giving you guys this information, i know this will probably lead you to believe that its probable that i sent him the pm because for the lolz but i really... didn't. I don't know how else i'm supposed to say it. Providing images won't help my cause because anyone can accuse me of deleting them in the first place, so im not going to bother with that.

I've intentionally tried to push Luti, in this thread and outside the thread, into admitting it, but he wouldn't. Lying deliberately and sticking to it with no reason does indeed make one suspicious.

More lies, On top of not sending him the pm, we've never actually talked outside the thread.

I am frankly surprised you're so quiet and evasive.

Can you say any more idiotic stuff. I have done nothing but to cooperate and leave pages of replies when my name was brought up.

Did you not say a couple of pages before that you like drama?

You want drama, fine. I vote A-Man

[Ramond]

Current status on Day 1 Lynch:

A-Man 5 (mfc, MangaD, STM, Luti, Apocalipsis)
LutiChris 2 (A-Man, Rhino.Freak)
MangaD 1 (pf)
Amadis 1 (MnM)
No Vote 1 (Hellblazer)

Not voted: Amadis, empirefantasy
Deadline: Friday, January 8th, 10 PM (GMT)

Two more hours until the deadline. If there's no obvious change of direction during that time, it means that A-Man will be lynched!

Player List (Click to View)

1. A-Man
2. Rhino
3. prince
4. STM
5. Hellblazer
6. MnM
7. Luti
8. MangaD
9. mfc
10. Amadis
11. Jernemies - Thug
12. Apocalipsis
13. empirefantasy (Mayor)

Citizen to Mafia ratio: 9:3

Remaining Roles:
-3 Mafia
-1 Thug
-1 Sheriff
-1 Doctor
-6 Citizens

Specific Rulesets (Click to View)

Private discussion between players outside of the thread is allowed.
Sending copies, screenshots or quotes of any sensitive information provided by me (Ramond) is forbidden in any way.
Voting for no-kill is allowed.
Night talk is allowed.
Ghost talk is allowed, but under the condition that no information that was gained outside of the public posts may be used in any way, especially not as a PM to other players.

If any of the above rules are broken, the opposite fraction of the rulebreaker wins the game immediately, so I will also ask players to be fair and report to me if somebody breaks a rule. That hopefully ensures nobody will even try to cheat.

[empirefantasy]

no vote

i reread almost every post again. expect everyone is voting aman, other votes are distributed. i mean that if aman is mafia, his teammates would have created a victim so aman would not be lynched. what i can this for the highest probability is that mangad is not mafia and he is playing a nice way by trying to reveal other players roles. and second that amadis is not mafia, i highly doubt he is (the most silent guy is not commonly mafia)

[A-Man]

More lies, On top of not sending him the pm, we've never actually talked outside the thread.

True, besides the 3 PMs you sent me, we never really talked outside this thread. When I said I pushed you, I didn't mean by directly telling you it. It was mostly by just dropping hints around, most of which you probably noticed.

i know this will probably lead you to believe that its probable that i sent him the pm because for the lolz but i really... didn't

It isn't probable, you really... did. I am technically dead now, and I am nothing but a poor citizen. Good game.

I understand those reasons, but they apply to almost every other player (except the ones that don't fight back).
But were there any reasons to specifically accuse Rhino? Why not Hellblazer or empirefantasy, for example?

There wasn't much, besides me wanting test his reactions and to mess with him:

[1/5/2016 3:34:42 PM] Me: wanna see the pm I recieved?
[1/5/2016 3:34:53 PM | Removed 3:36:42 PM] Me: This message has been removed.
[1/5/2016 3:36:35 PM | Removed 3:36:45 PM] Me: This message has been removed.
[1/5/2016 3:36:50 PM] Me: nvm
[1/5/2016 3:41:04 PM] Rhino Freak: Damn I missed it
[1/5/2016 3:41:12 PM] Rhino Freak: But yeah I'm not interested in it
[1/5/2016 3:41:18 PM] Me: lool
[1/5/2016 4:21:08 PM | Edited 4:21:11 PM] Rhino Freak: Lol you're gonna photoshop or write a fake pm or something? XD
[1/5/2016 4:21:30 PM] Me: ooh
[1/5/2016 4:25:11 PM] Me: lol I can't photoshop
[1/5/2016 4:25:18 PM] Me: posted
[1/5/2016 4:25:53 PM] Rhino Freak: Whoa wtf dude

Anyway, I failed I take it. Good game y'all, and Rhino is not a mafia. I will try to participate as a ghost when I can. This game has eaten too much of my time. I get really involved, and I do so stupidly >.<


Edit: If possible, I'd like to change my vote to no vote just for the heck of it.

Edit2: Btw, I really didn't do any photo editing, I simply modified the PM page directly via my browser's inspector.
http://prntscr.com/9non18
If it has required anything with a graphics program, I probably wouldn't have even bothered.

[Ramond]

Day 1 (conclusion)
During the course of the day, wild accusations were made. Fake evidence was brought up multiple times, only to be shredded by the shouts and claims of the opposition. The gallows - a relic from the town's early years - were built up in the afternoon; somebody was going to have to die in order to quench the town's arising bloodthirst.

By the evening, dark clouds have overshadowed the plaza and a couple of water drops stray onto the pebbly ground. A target has been chosen by a majority. None other than the talkative A-Man - who was the first to bring up false evidence - is heinously grabbed by multiple baiters, struggling with all his might, and slowly dragged to the podest. He further suffers from multiple thrusts and kicks all over his face and torso.

A-Man: Stop it! I had nothing to do with it!! NOTHING! You will live to regret this!

He is told to save his fairy tales for hell's gatekeeper, just as the heavens come crashing down as a plethora of raindrops, foreshadowing the taking of a human being's life. Fully soaked up to the bones, the remaining 11 people stare at the ancient murdering tool, initially hesitant to revive its dark legacy within this cursed town.

empirefantasy: As the end of this day draws nigh, I - the mayor of LFE Town, empirefantasy - hereby officially condemn you - A-Man of B-Town - to death. May your passing be swift and painless, and may the judge on the other side absolve you of your sins by grace of God.
A-Man: I am one of you, idiots! *coughs up blood* I am free of sin! My soul is as pristine as the light of the hiding sun!

But what's been done has been done. Under continued screams and curses, the victim is slowly heaved into the gallows. Not a minute later the final signs of life escape A-Man's body, now pitifully dangling about.
The falling rain, the echoes of distant thunderstorms and the creaking of the gallows' ropes. Nothing more, nothing less. The circle of life has taken its toll. The distinctive feeling of guilt overcomes most of the remaining individuals after their craving for justice has subsided.
There is no doubt; this killing was just a result of fervid discussions and tremendous dread of the unknown, the sensation that somebody had to pay for the evil that had taken root in LFE Town.

But certainly it shouldn't have been A-Man, the Citizen...

A-Man 5 (mfc, MangaD, STM, Luti, Apocalipsis)
LutiChris 1 (Rhino.Freak)
MangaD 1 (pf)
Amadis 1 (MnM)

No Vote 3 (Hellblazer, A-Man, empirefantasy)
Not voted: Amadis

Player List (Click to View)

1. A-Man - Citizen
2. Rhino
3. prince
4. STM
5. Hellblazer
6. MnM
7. Luti
8. MangaD
9. mfc
10. Amadis
11. Jernemies - Thug
12. Apocalipsis
13. empirefantasy (Mayor)

Citizen to Mafia ratio: 8:3

Remaining Roles:
-3 Mafia
-1 Thug
-1 Sheriff
-1 Doctor
-5 Citizens

Specific Rulesets (Click to View)

Private discussion between players outside of the thread is allowed.
Sending copies, screenshots or quotes of any sensitive information provided by me (Ramond) is forbidden in any way.
Voting for no-kill is allowed.
Night talk is allowed.
Ghost talk is allowed, but under the condition that no information that was gained outside of the public posts may be used in any way, especially not as a PM to other players.

If any of the above rules are broken, the opposite fraction of the rulebreaker wins the game immediately, so I will also ask players to be fair and report to me if somebody breaks a rule. That hopefully ensures nobody will even try to cheat.

Night 2
The clouds have cleared away, and the night is as starry as ever. Dark dreams haunt the sleep of most the residents; however, not all of them are asleep...

Provisional Deadline: Sunday, January 10th, 10PM (GMT).

[MangaD]

@A-Man Sorry for that. Your actions, lies, and effort to save yourself while accusing others were just too suspicious. I had to check whether or not you were really on the Mafia side. But your death will not be in vain, I hope.

Now tell us the truth, what really happened between you and Luti? So far he has denied everything you said against him. But now we know that we can trust you (before we couldn't, not after that fake plot you did). So your word has actual credit now. What are your opinions? Who do you think is Mafia and who do you think is not?