RaMafia 2

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Yes, town will lynch aman in day one and will go nokill for rest of the game just to make him angry ^.^

If you know that you are a townie and you are forcing people to kill you, shame on you for making the game harder for town to win. Your abilities could help the town in future.

If you know that you are a WW and you are forcing people to kill you, shame on you for making your team lose a member with no apparent reason.

Peoplw could go for nokill or something else but you got yourself killed like that. I really don't appreciate your views on this game.

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also seriously what kind of reasoning are you expecting from people in day 1, only reason out there is that you are trying to get yourself killed.

[Rhino.Freak]

A-man, knock it off.
There does not exist an argument in the first place. It's my own decision to go for no kill for I have no particular reason to just go with someone and think he is a werewolf just yet. Someone is lying? Someone is trolling? That says nothing about their alignment to me and for this game to have already become a bit hard thanks to the very plausible townie aligned scout and inquisitor reveal, I'd rather not lynch someone who I am not sure for.
Then you encourage (or rather force) me to vote for someone so I'd rather just kill you off but then you try to deduce reasons for the actions that aren't even our own in a sense.
So far there's just Bamboori on my radar but I'd rather not lynch him for the very same reason as yours as he is important in the game and it may possible be a very major risk to take that I wish to avoid.
I hope this answers your questions.

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Also please tell me how scout is any more use than inquisitor?

Let's assume you know roles of every person. What plan will you follow?

Kill ALL Knts an Inqs? Especially when it is possible for WW team to be Oct Sct Brd combo.

[A-Man]

See, I like to play my game based on my own opinions. This round has not even gone far enough to pin point the suspects. I am doing my own research and when I think that I have enough evidence to withstand my claim, I will openly reveal it. For now I have no concrete proof against any of my suspects that's why I went for no-kill in the first place. I changed my vote for the sole reason of you asking us to change it. I have changed my votes long enough. I am going to stick with you now. Idk this much stubbornness based on my vote really makes me doubt my hunch. So congrats you have become one of my suspects.

A-man, knock it off.
There does not exist an argument in the first place. It's my own decision to go for no kill for I have no particular reason to just go with someone and think he is a werewolf just yet.

no-kill in this case harms the entire town faction. Proof:


What I'm referring to being not your own decision is the fact that you both (you and TORANDO) lynched me because "everyone is lynching me anyway'. You can't say you really chose to because that's your opinion. Maybe it was your opinion to follow "everyone's" opinion though, if we want to play with words.

Then you encourage (or rather force) me to vote for someone so I'd rather just kill you off but then you try to deduce reasons for the actions that aren't even our own in a sense.
So far there's just Bamboori on my radar but I'd rather not lynch him for the very same reason as yours as he is important in the game and it may possible be a very major risk to take that I wish to avoid.
I hope this answers your questions.

You told me in chat that my name is somewhere in the middle in your list. And if I'm not at the top, then it's not one of those in the top, and I shouldn't be getting your vote. Plus, the fact that you agree with keeping Bamboori alive means that you do believe too that an inquisitor is useless and that a scout is most important (or more important, at least). But in that case, what is it that you and I disagree on?

If you know that you are a townie and you are forcing people to kill you, shame on you for making the game harder for town to win. Your abilities could help the town in future.

I haven't told anybody to lynch me; as you can see everyone is pretty much just 'going with the flaw`. It'd be shame on me if I had fallen back and voted no-kill when I had the chance just for myself to live.

Also please tell me how scout is any more use than inquisitor?

1 point makes all the difference:
- Information we get from him can be verified any time when someone he's checked is dead.

Let's assume you know roles of every person. What plan will you follow?

Kill ALL Knts an Inqs? Especially when it is possible for WW team to be Oct Sct Brd combo.

Yes! We'll know something about the number of bards and octs next day. We learn something about the number of bards by counting "???" votes and the number of occultists by seeing how many people get revived everyday.

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This plot doesn't take account the fact that it is possible to know who are actually WW as the game goes longer. We wont keep doing random lynches. We will gather enough info and eradicate all WW.

[Rhino.Freak]

What I'm referring to being not your own decision is the fact that you both (you and TORANDO) lynched me because "everyone is lynching me anyway'

There's a difference between voting for someone with our own will and voting for someone if say we HAD TO. I choose the path that'll be least dangerous. And that's killing off someone who's already dying.

Plus, the fact that you agree with keeping Bamboori alive means that you do believe too that an inquisitor is useless and that a scout is most important (or more important, at least).

No, I never said that. Inquisitor may not be trustable in a way but he's the only thing we have. My agreement that Scout is important doesn't make an inquisitor non important and vice versa, don't link them casually.

*howls with a passion*

[A-Man]

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This plot doesn't take account the fact that it is possible to know who are actually WW as the game goes longer. We wont keep doing random lynches. We will gather enough info and eradicate all WW.

That's correct, it doesn't take into account any sort of strategy, but that's how every mafia game begins and continue to be for most of the turns  (yes, randomness decreases as more turns pass. But not random doesn't mean right; it can mean correct or completely mislead gameplay, but a mix of both on average). Moreover, this graph becomes more relevant in this game than with any other, especially since alignments are never revealed; it becomes so easy to be mislead for an entire game as much as it is to be correct. You see how the number of wins falls down to 0 at turn 7+? That holds as long as no werewolf is lynched. And surprise surprise, the above plot is of a game of 10 townies and 3 mafia (13 players). Guess what does the plot of a game with 8 townies and 3 werewolves look like:


5 turns! I wonder if you'll be able to gather enough info to act before the time is up if you're to vote 'no-kill'. Of course, don't forget you need to count one turn for lynching a werewolf. 1 turn has already passed, so only 3 days will remain.

There's a difference between voting for someone with our own will and voting for someone if say we HAD TO. I choose the path that'll be least dangerous. And that's killing off someone who's already dying.

How's lynching A-Man who's in the middle of your suspect list less dangerous than lynching the guy at the top of the list?

No, I never said that. Inquisitor may not be trustable in a way but he's the only thing we have. My agreement that Scout is important doesn't make an inquisitor non important and vice versa, don't link them casually.

Hmm now that I think about it, an inquisitor's word doesn't matter. I can claim to be one and say Simon is werewolf. But it doesn't prove anything. Even if after I die, my word is meaningless since you cannot determine whether I was a werewolf aligned inquisitor or townie aligned. Inquisitor would be beneficial if his role alignment was revealed after death. But I still don't buy the idea of killing them all first.
It doesn't achieve anything, and will at the end only allow 1 werewolf kill and several townie kill.

[Rhino.Freak]

There's a difference between voting for someone with our own will and voting for someone if say we HAD TO. I choose the path that'll be least dangerous. And that's killing off someone who's already dying.

How's lynching A-Man who's in the middle of your suspect list less dangerous than lynching the guy at the top of the list?

Because you'll be dying REGARDLESS.

No, I never said that. Inquisitor may not be trustable in a way but he's the only thing we have. My agreement that Scout is important doesn't make an inquisitor non important and vice versa, don't link them casually.

Hmm now that I think about it, an inquisitor's word doesn't matter. I can claim to be one and say Simon is werewolf. But it doesn't prove anything. Even if after I die, my word is meaningless since you cannot determine whether I was a werewolf aligned inquisitor or townie aligned. Inquisitor would be beneficial if his role alignment was revealed after death. But I still don't buy the idea of killing them all first.
It doesn't achieve anything, and will at the end only allow 1 werewolf kill and several townie kill.

Bolded for truth. I said I saw your point but killing them isn't right AND inquisitor is the only thing we have.

[A-Man]

Because you'll be dying REGARDLESS.

So what? What stops you from pursuing your #1 even then? You're just going with the masses pretty much. Definitely not your choice.

Bolded for truth. I said I saw your point but killing them isn't right AND inquisitor is the only thing we have.

That's irrelevant. You said "I never said that" to when I said you agree the inquisitor is useless.

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Inquisitor(s) gain(s) more importance as the time goes forward and you know that.

Your plan of eradicating blindly all Inqs and Knts then randomly lynching rest is stupid.

Even in vanilla mafia games as time goes forward people get clues from even how they voted/acted/reacted, now in this roleful game, It becomes more relevant to keep game longer.

This game is not randomly rolling dices. Your plot is so dim-witted. This is a strong behavior reading and information processing game. There are some bets/gambles at points but that is only guided by the rest of information, Not by killing random people just because you think enemy has 1 Knt and 1 Inq.