Frozen [Sieg's version]

[Azriel]

@freeza
just because someone else decides to depict a character differently does not mean you should whine about "glory stealing". If you don't want "glory stealing", do something you're good at that no one else is. I could whine about blowfly's data changer surpassing mine, but no, i actually use (and like) his coz it's more convenient for certain stuff ftm. get mad yes, but get working. Sieg's got a quality standard that says "things must be this good before I accept it". Actually most people (should) have it. it just depends on how low or how high it is. if your "quality bar" is higher, then you'd see that there's things to improve on your own "Frozen" (more fluid moves, sprite quality consistency).

I'm not trying to be offensive, so I'll contrast it with the "data workstation" project.
Data workstation:
- tabs
- syntax highlighting
- visual connection to sprite
- buggy find and replace
- reference guide at the bottom
- works in different OSes (i use linux sometimes)

FLight DCer:
- tabs
- syntax highlighting
- Ctrl + click "goto"
- find and replace works
- windows only

looking at this, arguably i'd use mine more for character development (coordinate placement), but for test-chars for HQ, I use blowfly's coz I don't need exact placement of xpoints if I want to test a new feature or something (faster for frame creation). To say "mine's better, blowfly's stealing my glory" would not be wise. First, I can see his has quality, and whatever he's put in are more "practical" in terms of what people are used to seeing from Jiquera's (i'm sure most people would've been referring to LFE for their references anyway). Mine's more "convenience" based, where I want to get _____ weapon or character done quickly. However, I know I would probably get a higher quality object if I DCed using blowfly's as I would take more care in finding out the coordinates and whatnot.

hopefully this analogy helps

@the ongoing off topic discussion
if you want to rant about how multiple people want to do "Frozen", do it outside - pm, msn, whatever. I don't want this thread, Freeza's thread and possibly Timme's to be a waste of reading. don't flame as this would cause action to be taken.



Azriel~

[Siegvar]

Taking another look at my vote - 2 seems overly bland. I think I was just being blind, it was extremely early this morning. 5 Looks brilliant Siegvar.

Well... I'll still keep a version like number 2 just in case. I'm still fearful number 5 will get too bright when its actually viewed in motion.

also, i'd like to comment on Siegvar for a moment,
you know, you could have just made a new frozen, and not really rubbed it Freeza's face. He was actually continuing the project that people wanted to see, which made people eager, because yinyin lost interest. You could've said, "its a nice go, i think i will try", but no, you had to say "F*** you i hate you and your design, im gonna do something better, because i am better"....well la di da. And really, if you are commenting on Freeza's sprites, you are actually commenting on yinyin's sprites.
what i am saying is, you should have done it with a bit more grace.

Well.. just for the record. I don't mind the design and some of the individual sprites themselves, its just that some of the later animations by freeza lose the original quality of the first few frames.

But yea, I admit I could've done it with alot more grace. It was a late night and I was feeling all emotional. So I slipped up there.

It's true Siegvar why did you had to say that. You had to rub at PF about that PF version looks not the original one. He just continuing on what yinyin made, you could have rub it at yinyin.
Man you sicken me Siegvar.

Again, my problem lies not in the design of the sprite, but the later frames of animation in the sheet loses the personality and quality of what yinyin started.
If there were records of the original project Yinyin did and my comments, you would see that I was pretty impressed with the quality.

So, I sicken you, well, I expected as much out of my actions. I slipped up a bit, so I have to accept the consequences. Go bite me.


Once again I reiterate. The interpretation is not the problem, the overall quality level of the spritesheet is.

But yes. I've been a bastard. I dislike his Frozen, because I'm partial to the quality Yinyin has been working at. I've conceded that his sprites are pretty good, as my objective eye can still see... But I still dislike his Frozen.

Now, can we get on with it and continue working on our respective Frozens? Freeza and Adam are almost completing theirs. I actually haven't started serious work on mine coz I have to finish somethingelse for Azriel first as I've mentioned.

So go rub it in my face later when theirs is released and mine is only a WIP. Put some pressure on me. Make me crack, watch me crumble and watch my spritesheet lose quality as well and then burn me for it. Or watch me stay focused keep going. I wonder if I've finally met Ricky's expectations. Too bad neither he nor I are working on EC anymore.


@Apoc:
Heh, sorry man, still haven't had time to try out your changes. Been busy. But I think I'll get on it as soon as I finish that HQ thing. (I'm almost done with that! haha.)

[betitngoan]

i don't care "I use this skin colour by default for my characters, but it may be too warm and red for Frozen"
but in LF2 , the skin colour look like the shirt colour
it's LF2 style , not Siegvar's Fighter 2 style ( SF2 style )

Perhaps you should look at your own sprites before commenting about LF2 style. Your skin color doesn't look like your shirt color, both clothing/skin shading suck and the only thing that resembles LF2 style IMO are the proportions.

????
i make the shirt colour from the skin colour

[Apocalipsis]

Heh, sorry man, still haven't had time to try out your changes. Been busy. But I think I'll get on it as soon as I finish that HQ thing. (I'm almost done with that! haha.)

Heh, good to hear. I need to get on MSN more often, but I have been busy with exams (11 done, 4 more and loads of homework to go -all because of those three weeks of holidays because of the flu-)... And when I'm not busy I'm lazy.


Btw, this thread needs a serious clean up.

[Eddie]

Heh, sorry man, still haven't had time to try out your changes. Been busy. But I think I'll get on it as soon as I finish that HQ thing. (I'm almost done with that! haha.)

Heh, good to hear. I need to get on MSN more often, but I have been busy with exams (11 done, 4 more and loads of homework to go -all because of those three weeks of holidays because of the flu-)... And when I'm not busy I'm lazy.


Btw, this thread needs a serious clean up.

GCSE? And, I'd sod the clean up - just looking at the messages make's everyone go into a rage and then say: 'you know what? I'll show them! I'll make the best damned sprites anyone has ever seen!!'

It's actually very good for the Spriters to be spurred on by comments and challenges. Note - when Prince_Freeze's Frozen sprites were commented as 'good, but not what I expect of Frozen' - he has gone out and produced better sprites. Take a look at Darius v2 for example. I've never seen Freeze sprite that well. And I have to say - well done him. A little friendly competition never hurt anyone .

[Madara Uchiha]

WOW! it looks so cool.

[prince_freeza]

i would really like to see you make the sprites for him.

[Siegvar]

Alright, this is colour scheme number 5, with the tweaked face and hairstyle.
Hair shading is simplified to allow me to be able to more consistently recreate it in later frames.

And now, recap on the current theme and feel to Frozen:

Frozen is outwardly calm and cool, but also has a ferocious side to him.
This should be reflected in him having both elegant and brutal moves.
With his elegant and calm moves, he'll have better control over his ice and wind powers.
With his more brutal moves, his ice and wind powers will dwindle, while he relies on adrenaline rushes to help him do more physical damage.

Now I'll be working on a movelist and some concept sketches. As long as no one has anymore suggestions on improving the sprite design.

[Silverthorn]

Good to go from my side. Sure thing, the sprite is good enough to be continued. As for attacks, I'd still prefer some sort of airy move. Maybe some sort of shock wave? Or an attack which lifts the opponent(s) or you up into the sky. Okay, I really have no clue :P

[Divisor]

Frozen is outwardly calm and cool, but also has a ferocious side to him.

A rage mode?
Maybe when hp is low, he can allow his alter-ego to come forward or sth.