Classic Mafia - Conclusion!

[Darl]

Neither of you convince me fully as the GodFather. I could accuse both of you for your actions as equally I could create explanations and justify them.

I'll just take the jump, god damnit, and consider the only difference I can make between you two: the lack of online activity of Jernemies.

Ramond.

Take me out of my mysery, tbqh fam.

[Ramond]

Hey, wait just a second. I'm about to go through the whole thread and post a recap.

[STM1993]

Bump so that Ramond's post later won't be affected by the anti-doublepost.

Also taking the opportunity to say that the deadline is 13 hours from now(GMT - 0700hrs or 7:00am).

[Ramond]

I took the time to skim through the thread for most the relevant information. Also quoting some posts here for convenience.

Jernemies Post 1 (Click to View)

By popular demand, I'll brief you where I stand atm. I kinda owe you this one, so I put aside some time to make this happen.

I've been moved, which obviously has been a hassle, and will be in the future. On the plus side, we are allowed to use the Phone here with what little "Grey" and free time we have. I've used that to keep a rough track on what's happening, so Idon't have to use up an evening or dedicate time from a weekend.

Briefly on the game, I don't honestly see a reason why there is a debate about mfc and rhino being the cop. Mfc was confirmed mafia, Rhino was the one calling him out. I don't think faking oneself as the cop is a viable strategy for the mafia, especially at this point, so I don't think it's going To happen. It's unfortunate how little info this one kill has given us, but really, it is a nice kill, one third of the mafia gone, one More night to think about it.

I won't go into detail about players (because I simply can't), but from things that stand out, Amadis seems eager to be checked (Godfather?). Nave plays his usual citizen role, Ramond's actions seem way too obvious to be mafia (after all, he's propably the most experienced mafia player here), and Luti seems very upset about something. That's it for now really.

It's going To have to be a bandwagon for me Unfortunately, but if not, then Luti propably my vote. Don't take this the wrong way, it's just that analyzing Each player from their posts is tedious. So do try and convince me otherwise, I can do a Quick change of heart on some little splinter of Grey time if needed.

Yeah, he doesn't see a reason why there is a debate about Rhino being the Cop. Because he knew Rhino wasn't Mafia, and a random Citizen wouldn't claim so.

Intermediate Vote Tally on Day 3 (Click to View)

Current votes:
1. AmadisLFE
2. Apocalipsis - #5/11/13: Bamboori
3. Bamboori - #14: Apocalipsis
4. CosmicSarasa
5. Darl - #15: Bamboori
6. empirefantasy - #10/16/19: (No Lynch)
7. Jernemies - #16: Apocalipsis
8. LutiChris - #8/18/20: (No Lynch)
9. mfc
10. Ramond - #1/7/9/17: Bamboori
11. Rhino.Freak
12. Simoneon - #3: TheNave
13. TheNave - #2/4/6/12: Apocalipsis
14. T.O.R.N.A.D.O

Vote Tally:
Apoc - 3
Bamboori - 3
(No Lynch) - 2
TheNave - 1

Are you sure you want a random vote between Apocalipsis vs Bamboori?
(this phase may even extend to my usual time tomorrow at the very latest)

This is where I tied the vote (more on that later).

Bamboori trying to save himself (Click to View)

welp.
I guess I'll vote for Jernemies.

Voting for Jernemies as a last resort. You could argue this makes him less likely to be his Mafia partner, but I object. He had most votes on himself already and knew he was going to die. So this action would make Jernemies look less suspicious in the long run.

Jernemies Post... something (Click to View)

Meh, I don't feel like saying anything really. I see two very clear ways this goes. Either Bamboori is not mafia, in which case I likely won't die next day, or he's mafia, in which case I don't see a world in which I live. Either way, me saying anything won't change stuff in any direction.

I will say that Nave's additional reasons to vote for me are both useless. I didn't vote for mfc, but I didn't vote for anybody else either, because I wasn't active at that time (also because days progressed very fast). Also I think your reasoning behind mafia kills are very round, and can be applied to every living player we have atm, e.g;  YOU didn't die tonight, even though you are one of the most dangerous players. Now you'd answer "well duh, that'd be suspicious!" to which I'd answer "Maybe, but who would it indict? The player you accused last of course."

I won't argue with the logic you presented, it looks thought out. I would vote for Darl if Bamboori wasn't already almost declared dead, but hey. I can do it next day regardless of how this goes.

Jernemies Post Y part 1 (Click to View)

You know, I still think Nave is a citizen, if misinformed one at that. All it takes is a throwaway vote (yes, it has happened, last round is a great example), and that's his logic gone. He's still been doing analysis and trying to figure people out, so no, he doesn't look like the godfather from the last round at all to me, who was against all kinds of plans and looked very emotional.

What I've described in my last post. He knew Nave was innocent so he could easily say this. All the other townsfolk were 'fooled'. He also briefly had a vote on me there, but he edited it out.

Jernemies Post Y part 2 (Click to View)

But hey, I'll see for myself because you look dead set on him. I'm looking at Ramond. Apoc was adamant about going after Bamboori, and was the driving force behind that lynch, so I color him pretty much green at this point. Ramond on the other hand, is an experienced player who's just been "applying pressure" at random people. Admittedly he also voted for Bamboori, but at that point, pressure was on him, and he saw he couldn't save Bamboori alone, so better act fast than late.

I'm not voting, because 3/5 is a majority, the day should be over at any point.

How was Apoc adamant about going after Bamboori, but I was not? I was (along with Apoc and Darl) one of the first ones to consistently go after him.

The godfather is definitely between the "inactive" Jernemies, and the Ram "Every bus takes me home!" Ond. But, he did vote against Bamb when the votes were four to two against Apoc.

...I think Jernemies is the Godfather and his inactivity is just part of he show, like in the last game.

So why did you change your mind?

I hope my strategy worked. Im lynching Ramond

What strategy are we even talking about? Sadly you ninja'd me when I claimed to be the Doc, so now it's looking like it was a last attempt to convince Jernemies of my innocence.

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And now, my actual argumentation. These are simply facts that you can't just ignore, putting aside all the bullcrap I may have said in this game.

Check out Day 3, preferably from here. It was still pretty early in the Day, some random lynch votes lying around. Yes, I had a random vote on Apoc. You know, random pressure and stuff.
A few posts later, Bamboori votes for Apoc. (3 for Apoc.) And a few posts after that,

Jernemies Post 2 (Click to View)

Just throwing this out there, it doesn't seem to me like Apoc is even trying to find a suspicious "suspect". It looks an awful lot like he's just trying to wast our lynches away. I didn't really pay attention other than Apoc is trying his hands at propability math.

Why do I see propability math in this thread anyway? It could work if we were playing like ten thousand games at once and calculating the median, but shocker, we are not. Imagine us playing every round like this. It'd be like a lottery, where Gm just goes "Everybody ready? Roll the dice! Aaand the winner is... Mafia!" *two guys cheer*

Once again, I will listen to your concerns if you think domeone is suspicious. I won't listen to this math bullsh*t though.

Tl:dr didn't read, saw numbers, anger ensues.

Jernemies votes for Apoc, giving him a clear 4 vote majority over any other person. Bamboori had 2 votes at this point; Apoc and Darl, as seen here. Jernemies pushed for Apoc to be lynched.

That's when I noticed Bamboori's activity increased a lot. Two posts later I changed my vote from Apoc to Bamboori, tieing them 3-3. Not much later, Luti voted for Apoc as well. 4-3. Afterwards, a long discussion between Apoc and Luti emerged, upon which Luti was lynched.
In all honesty, there was not a lot of suspicion on Bamboori yet. If I was the Godfather I wouldn't have changed my vote at all, and Apoc would have been doubtlessly lynched.

Ever since my suspicion on Bamboori sparked, I've been going for him. Without hesitation, first thing on Day 4, even though there was no clear majority for Bamboori yet.

And where has Jernemies ever done anything that remotely goes into the direction of killing or accusing Mafia? He voted for Bamboori on Day 4... but Bamboori already had the vote majority and Jernemies had no other choice.
That's it. Nothing else he did to aid the town.

These are the indisputable facts that clearly point to Jernemies being the much more likely Godfather than me. "Inactivity" is not really a valid argument, since he could have simply lurked and not posted a lot. This does not mean he cannot be Mafia. I for my part have been active throughout the whole game, not being afraid to put myself into the spotlight various times. Not smart if you're Mafia, you'd try to rather stay under the radar, like Jernemies.

And this is all I'm willing to invest. If you for some reason still somehow think that I'm the Godfather, then it cannot be helped.

[empirefantasy]

argdsafgdasgasggda.....

[Apocalipsis]

@STM1993
Can we (the ghosts of citizens) PM you about who we think is the Godfather, so you can reveal our messages once the game is over?

I'm curious about how many of us would fail here xD

STM1993 edited this post 03-07-2016 06:43 PM because:

Sure! Would be fun to see people place their bets by PMing me =)

[Darl]

I think I'll forget about what I think and just follow Nave's will (after I contributed to kill him)

Jernemies

Ramond, you have to step up your game senpai. If you truly are the last citizen, you played awfully suspicious the whole game. If you're not the last townie, but the GodFather: f*** you.

I'm not gonna step away from my decision anymore. This post is my final one till STM decides to end it.

STM1993 edited this post 03-08-2016 02:19 AM because:

Alright, since Ramond & Jernemies are dead set on each other and Darl's decision is final...

[STM1993]

Classic Mafia - Conclusion

Vote Lynch Count (Click to View)

Votes Counted:
1. Darl - #1&4/5: Jernemies
2. Jernemies - #3: Ramond
3. Ramond - #2: Jernemies

Vote Tally:
Jernemies - 2
Ramond - 1

The day broke, and the town awoke to the sight of an impaled Apocalipsis dangling atop a lance.

One of them was certainly the Godfather, and one of them must die this day.

After several exchanges, two of the townsfolk determined that Jernemies was the Godfather.

Of course. How could they have been so blind? How could the town not have seen this wolf hiding in plain sight? Why, Jernemies was quite literally the devil!

Discovered at long last, the Godfather Jernemies screeched as he lunged for Darl. However, Darl & Ramond had anticipated this. Armed with blessed flamethrowers, they crossed streams of holy fire at the enraged demonspawn. Jernemies soldiered on as his body began to disintegrate, but perished before he could lay a hand on the townsfolk. And so the town was cleansed, from the evil that was the Godfather and his Mafia.

(click picture for bgm)
Jernemies, the Mafia Godfather, has been slain.

Epilogue:
It was over. The evil that had plagued this town has been cleansed forever. The crisis has lifted.

However, the damage had been done. The town was devastated, destroyed by the conflicts between its own inhabitants, leaving only two survivors - Darl the doctor and Ramond the last citizen.

Indeed, the town had suffered a tragedy, but it ultimately triumphed in the face of adversity.

After the little fighters returned home from defeating Lord Julian, the town would rebuild itself again. Though the incident had left a scar in the inhabitants' hearts, they lived the rest of their lives knowing that their descendents would never have to suffer the same fate.

Life goes on for the Little Town.

(click picture for bgm)

The End.

Town Victory!

Players
1. T.O.R.N.A.D.O - Citizen (stabbed by Mafia in Night 0)
2. mfc - Mafia Goon (ravaged by Town's cat mascot in Day 1)
3. CosmicSarasa - Citizen (hugged by Mafia in Night 1)
4. AmadisLFE - Citizen (tripped on his own sword in Day 2)
5. Rhino.Freak - Town Cop (harpooned by Mafia in Night 2)
6. LutiChris - Citizen (boiled for frog leg soup in Day 3)
7. Simoneon - Citizen (blasted by Mafia in Night 3)
8. Bamboori - Mafia Goon (actually lynched in Day 4)
9. empirefantasy - Citizen (beaten to death by Mafia in Night 4)
10. TheNave - Citizen (head ripped off in Day 5)
11. Apocalipsis - Citizen (impaled by Mafia in Night 5)
12. Jernemies - Mafia Godfather (incinerated in Day 6)
13. Ramond - Citizen - Survived
14. Darl - Town Doctor - Survived

Godfather Bets:
Green = Correct, Red = Wrong. Open spoiler for the full PM-bet sent to me! Bets listed in the order I received them:

LutiChris (Click to View)

"Darl has yet to come out of the closet"

Apocalipsis (Click to View)

Well... I'm not completely sure about this, but I would go against Ramond, 60%.

It seems to me like a risky but solid strategy to kill Bamboori. He knew it was likely for Nave to get lynched afterwards, so it would be 1:3 at this point (if he were to avoid the Doctor up to this point). Then, why would we doubt him, one of the killers of Bamboori?

I was killed after stating I was going to vote for him. Sure, it could be Jernemies trying to fool us, but it sounds even more risky to me. If Jernemies were to be the Godfather, knowing how stubborn I am, it would have been easier to let me live so I would vote against Ramond. Then why did he target me, and not Darl?

Finally, his weird behaviour at the start of the game, could have been a strategy to get himself checked by Rhino.

Then again, I failed (at least) twice in this game, first with Amadis and then with Nave, so I'm not sure about anything at this point.

TheNave (Click to View)

It must be Jernemies

he overreacted as hell when he was accused by me (even though I was almost confirmed dead and nobody paid any attention to me) he was still all like: "Blabla no way I'll survive the day after this one blabla"

and Ramond is just Ramond-ing around, he did that in the other game I played with him aswell, and he was citizen that time aswell, so ya

Oh and I bet Somin bets on Ramond and Apoc bets on Jernemies aswell... now I got a doublebet running

empirefantasy (Click to View)

its jeremies :P

Simoneon (Click to View)

it's jernemies

A-Man (Click to View)

Jerenemies! I know I didn't participate, but I still wanted to try.

Previous Phases:
Day 1 begins - TORNADO is killed.
Night 1 begins - mfc is lynched.
Day 2 begins - CosmicSarasa is killed.
Night 2 begins - AmadisLFE is lynched.
Day 3 begins - Rhino.Freak is killed.
Night 3 begins - LutiChris is lynched.
Day 4 begins - Simoneon is killed.
Night 4 begins - Bamboori is lynched.
Day 5 begins - empirefantasy is killed.
Night 5 begins - TheNave is lynched.
Day 6 begins - Apocalipsis is killed.
Conclusion - Jernemies is lynched.

Alternative Ending (Click to View)

The day broke, and the town awoke to the sight of an impaled Apocalipsis dangling atop a lance.

One of them was certainly the Godfather, and one of them must die this day.

After several exchanges, two of the townsfolk determined that Ramond/Darl was the Godfather.

Darl/Ramond cast the first stone at Ramond/Darl, and Jernemies soon followed. Ramond/Darl tried to shield his head and run, but one of the stones hit a critical spot, and he crumpled to the floor. The two would not stop stoning the unconscious Ramond/Darl until they had satisfied their bloodlust.


Ramond, the last Town Citizen, has been slain.

Darl, the Town Doctor, has been slain.

Epilogue:
As Darl/Ramond frantically searched for a mask, the great shadow of Jernemies loomed over behind him.

Of course. How could they have been so blind? How could the town not have seen this wolf hiding in plain sight? Why, Jernemies was quite literally the devil!

"No... no no NOOOO!!" the last townsfolk fell back and tried to crawl away from the now unstoppable demon.

"You have done well Dr. Darl/Mr. Ramond!" the Godfather cackled in laughter. "Now, you will have your JUST reward!"

Darl/Ramond let loose an agonizing howl as Jernemies placed his hand upon his victim's face. With a green glow, the doctor/citizen's soul was sucked, leaving behind naught but a husk.

At last, the Mafia had its revenge; the town had indeed destroyed itself from within as mfc had predicted. As a final act, the Godfather salted the earth before setting the town alight. He watched solemnly as the town was razed to the ground, consumed by a blaze of hellfire, in memory of his fallen godsons and Lord Julian...

The little fighters who returned home would search for the perpetrators all their life, but they would pass away, never having found Jernemies the Godfather.

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The End.

Mafia Victory!

Imgur Mafia Pics Album

GM's Comments: (Click to View)

First of all, thank you everyone for making this round a success! Credit must also go to TheNave for giving me a chance to host after starting up the registration thread and also providing me with a ruleset that I could use(which I paraphrased to make it shorter & more concise). I didn't modify the rules except add the "Auto-win if Town : Mafia ratio is 1:1" clause, which I'll explain in detail below. Being the host seeing the night roles behind the scenes really helps me to appreciate the game better.

Really bad luck for mfc to have been checked in the first night, although I didn't expect him to straight up admit he was mafia and play the "traitor" card, leading to his early death. It is for this reason of being checked early that I considered switching the Godfather role to mfc as he appeared to be the most active Mafia, but in the end I decided to respect the RNG.

I actually made a mistake in Night 1 by telling the Cop(Rhino.Freak) his result too early(Darl is Townie) before the night was over as I was too eager to clarify that his Cop ability checks alignment rather than role. Fortunately he played along and in the end, the cop wasn't killed that night, so it didn't have a negative impact on the game overall.

Rhino.Freak would've been incredibly lucky if his checking ability is absolute role-checking. He checked mfc(goon), Darl(medic), initially went for Jernemies(godfather) before wanting to switch to LutiChris(citizen) but alas, he died on Night 2 as the Mafia sucessfully gambled on Darl(medic) not protecting Rhino.Freak.

TheNave, Ramond & I were usually on irc. While we did talk Mafia there, it was with regards to how I ran the game as GM; there was no discussion of the round itself and thus no rulebreak.

Jernemies really was unable to participate as actively due to being in the military, so I gave him some leeway time-wise. For the last few nights, I asked him & Bamboori on irc for the night kill directly instead of requiring them to PM. I didn't notice Apoc's question about using irc to bypass PM, but when I saw it later, I decided not to answer publicly since it'd likely give Jernemies away, who already has a disadvantage of being unable to be as active as everyone else.

I advanced the phases very quickly because I figured there's no point dragging each phase if results are clear. I admit I advanced too fast with Day 2 considering that it was a close contest between getting Amadis or LutiChris lynched. I deliberately slowed down the night phases a little to try masking the players' timezone activity from giving away the special roles as well as to make sure most of the players can be active when the new phase is announced, but it seems TheNave still caught on that empirefantasy was just a normal citizen. I should also add that moderators will always have that extra advantage of being able to see invisible players and deleted posts(which led to a rule patch).

Let's talk about the elephant in the room: The day 3 incident with LutiChris. The jist of it is that Luti didn't like the unenforceable rule of "no talking outside of thread". I was well aware of its many flaws and how eager people are to comment, but I decided to leave the rule in as I didn't want to remove Nave's intended game mechanic of "killing the brains" and I trusted the LFE community to abide by that rule. I wasn't happy that he chose to bend it the way he did rather than bring it up to me. I might have made it a double-lynch if he wasn't already the most voted lynchee in that phase. In any case, LutiChris and I have long since resolved this issue on Skype and its a learning experience for me. I've considered Apoc's idea; its actually very interesting solution that maximizes thread participation over private discussions, though the biggest problem is that the GM is not omniscient and very often, other players will catch the uneditted post before the GM can. I suppose the closest thing is what Ramond did where he made his round revolve entirely around using role abilities which the GM has full control over or maybe give mafia infiltration abilities that let them get into private discussions more easily. In any case, in the worst case scenario, private discussions will have to be completely free, which I partly dislike because it discourages players from posting in the thread itself.

Some of you might have noticed the Mafia win if >50% of population clause, which Apoc had PM'd me about when Day 6 began. That rule is implemented because once Mafia is 50% or more of population, they have the ability to tie with or even overpower the Town side. In the case of tie, it becomes a random kill between ties, but a win caused by a random kill would leave a bad taste for players. In the event its just 1 doctor 1 mafia, declaring a draw works, but I believe players would much prefer having a proper resolution to their game, not to mention its better for the story. The whole idea of Mafia is that it is an uninformed majority against an informed minority, and if the informed minority becomes tied or even the majority, they should be rewarded for making it that far. Last but not least, I do not want to encourage the doctor to keep saving himself just for a chance to bring the game to an unsatisfying draw. The game should advance quickly, but also end with a decisive conclusion.

At the end of the round, I considered explicitly lifting the ghost talk rule and was pretty lenient about it all, but I decided to just leave it be while Ramond later told me that he was against direct post suggestions that a person is the godfather. As a result, you'd notice that one of TheNave and Bamboori's posts have been removed. mfc also deleted his own post - all have since been moved to disposal for consistency.

Darl's actions as medic: Saved himself every single night.

It does take me quite a bit of time to draw the illustrations with a consistent art style, so if I host again, I might either forgo the illustration or just brush over quickly with MS Paint like I did with the background image. The story does take some time as well even if its mostly impromptu, so again if I host, I'd probably make a much more concise story.

Feel free to comment about the game or criticize my run as this round's GM, I'd love to hear feedback!

[Darl]

I freaking loved your stories and your drawings. The days passed rather swiftly, too. You even had the courtesy of pming me almost every night so as to not forget I had a job. Great hosting, overall!

Do I have to have my descendents with Ramond now?

[Rhino.Freak]

Yayyyyy!!!!!!! We did it!!!

Rhino.Freak would've been incredibly lucky if his checking ability is absolute role-checking. He checked mfc(goon), Darl(medic), initially went for Jernemies(godfather) before wanting to switch to LutiChris(citizen) but alas, he died on Night 2 as the Mafia sucessfully gambled on Darl(medic) not trusting Rhino.Freak.

So I was checking all them special roles basically wow.
Gotta say I really believed Ramond to be the medic the whole time.

Also in my opinion, TheNave caused a bit of confusion here and there at times he protected bamboori and jernemies with all his might. But hey we won XD

Also yes, excellent job STM XD love them little sprite pics.

Edit: Darl and Ramond now must have babies and repopulate this town.